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PostPosted: Fri Aug 14, 2020 5:26 pm    Post subject: FBI Lawyer Pleads Guilty In Russia Probe Reply with quote

Piece of schiff ex FBI lawyer Kevin Clinesmith altered an email concerning Carter Page. The email stated that Page was an asset of the CIA, and Clinesmith changed it to say Page was not an asset. The forged email was then given to the FISA court as evidence to spy on Page and the Trump campaign. The traitor's lawyer claims Clinesmith did not know he did anything wrong, but takes responsibility for his illegal actions.

This is just the beginning of the unraveling of Barack Obama's actions to take down an elected President, like the Third World authoritarian he is. I look forward to the Durham investigation being released.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 14, 2020 7:03 pm    Post subject: Re: FBI Lawyer Pleads Guilty In Russia Probe Reply with quote

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Piece of schiff ex FBI lawyer Kevin Clinesmith altered an email concerning Carter Page. The email stated that Page was an asset of the CIA, and Clinesmith changed it to say Page was not an asset. The forged email was then given to the FISA court as evidence to spy on Page and the Trump campaign. The traitor's lawyer claims Clinesmith did not know he did anything wrong, but takes responsibility for his illegal actions.

This is just the beginning of the unraveling of Barack Obama's actions to take down an elected President, like the Third World authoritarian he is. I look forward to the Durham investigation being released.

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so me wondering about Carter Page as a known CIA asset being interdcepted was the right feeling I had that there is something not correct.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 14, 2020 7:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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This is just the beginning of the unraveling of Barack Obama's actions to take down an elected President, like the Third World authoritarian he is. I look forward to the Durham investigation being released.
I wonder if that's the primary reason Biden didn't pick Rice. She otherwise seems a far more capable choice.

Unless they also get Clapper and Rice it is just another another game of pin the crime on the flunky. With the comments about "rogue" Comey, he'd probably need something significant to be able to shift responsibility upward. Quick, check social media for any indications none of them have been exhibiting suicidal behavior. Even better, this year they'll be able to die from Wuhan.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 14, 2020 7:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The lazy Durrham investigation now reveals what we could read last December written by Glenn Greenwald/The Intercept . I posted at the time:
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the Steele dossier isn't relevantly implying this misuse of power by the FBI. But this lie about Carter Page.

My question 8 months later:
Is there any political corruption by GA Barr to wait until the election?
(Reminds me of the Mueller report which revealed after a long period of two years what two weeks of intensive interrogation could have done: Nothing there.)

So, in the U.S. party system there was no interest of what Greenwald said in the above linked article:
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The Inspector General’s Report on 2016 FBI Spying Reveals a Scandal of Historic Magnitude: Not Only for the FBI but Also the U.S. Media

Sad. Congress not doing the work, like they fell short with the impeachment.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 14, 2020 8:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The lazy Durrham investigation now reveals what we could read last December written by Glenn Greenwald/The Intercept . I posted at the time:
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the Steele dossier isn't relevantly implying this misuse of power by the FBI. But this lie about Carter Page.

My question 8 months later:
Is there any political corruption by GA Barr to wait until the election?
(Reminds me of the Mueller report which revealed after a long period of two years what two weeks of intensive interrogation could have done: Nothing there.)

So, in the U.S. party system there was no interest of what Greenwald said in the above linked article:
Quote:
The Inspector General’s Report on 2016 FBI Spying Reveals a Scandal of Historic Magnitude: Not Only for the FBI but Also the U.S. Media

Sad. Congress not doing the work, like they fell short with the impeachment.

The House is controlled by the Democrats. You think they have any interest in revealing the truth concerning traitorous acts by the Obama Administration? The Senate is controlled by establishment Republicans. They are part of the Swamp and do not want to cross the Military/Industrial/Intelligence Complex. The main stream media is just the propaganda arm of the Democrat Party. They have no interest in bringing the truth to the public.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 14, 2020 8:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I wonder if that's the primary reason Biden didn't pick Rice. She otherwise seems a far more capable choice.

Unless they also get Clapper and Rice it is just another another game of pin the crime on the flunky. With the comments about "rogue" Comey, he'd probably need something significant to be able to shift responsibility upward. Quick, check social media for any indications none of them have been exhibiting suicidal behavior. Even better, this year they'll be able to die from Wuhan.
Don't forget John Brennan. He, in my opinion, was Obama's point man in all of this.

The bottom line is Barack Hussein Obama is a traitor to the Constitution. He had US citizens killed without Constitutional Due Process, interfered in foreign elections, and tried to overthrow an election, and bombed just about every country in Southeast Asia, the Middle East, and North Africa.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 14, 2020 10:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

@Old School
the U.S. system is rotten, because since 250y there hasn't been any adaptation of the U.S. constitutional system to modern time needs. For example on paper only the Congress has the right to declare war, but today Trump pirates an iranian ship and there soonishly will be explosions in the persian gulf ...

Another example: In european countries the opposition has all rights to investigate the government despite they are typically the minority in parliament. In the U.S. the majority Democrats cannot investigate without waiting for the judges to decide what they can ask.

I am not convinced Obama spied on the Trump campaign when 3 persons were intercepted while only one of that group were actively involved in the Trump campaign at the time. Why would anyone want to spy on Trump while a Twitter feed would give the answere? The Flynn intercept with the russian ambassadeur was a result of another CIA operation.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 14, 2020 11:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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the U.S. system is rotten, because since 250y there hasn't been any adaptation of the U.S. constitutional system to modern time needs.

I stopped reading at the end of the sentence. Once again you show your ignorance of US politics. The Constitution itself gives the blueprint. It is called amendments. There have been 27 changes to the Constitution. Everything from abolishing slavery to women's suffrage to changing the voting age.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 14, 2020 11:49 pm    Post subject: Re: FBI Lawyer Pleads Guilty In Russia Probe Reply with quote

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This is just the beginning of the unraveling of Barack Obama's actions to take down an elected President, like the Third World authoritarian he is. I look forward to the Durham investigation

Okay Rachel Maddow.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 15, 2020 12:01 am    Post subject: Re: FBI Lawyer Pleads Guilty In Russia Probe Reply with quote

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Old School wrote:

This is just the beginning of the unraveling of Barack Obama's actions to take down an elected President, like the Third World authoritarian he is. I look forward to the Durham investigation

Okay Rachel Maddow.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 15, 2020 1:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is the actual altered email published somewhere? I’m having trouble finding it.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 15, 2020 2:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Don't forget John Brennan. He, in my opinion, was Obama's point man in all of this.

The bottom line is Barack Hussein Obama is a traitor to the Constitution. He had US citizens killed without Constitutional Due Process, interfered in foreign elections, and tried to overthrow an election, and bombed just about every country in Southeast Asia, the Middle East, and North Africa.
Yes, Brennan. I checked and he is who I was thinking of when I mentioned Clapper. Clapper seems to be more of a party favor type while Brennan seems like he was trying to save his ass because he knows it ought to be a prison commodity.

And while I'm not saying it is "good" policy, interfering with foreign elections isn't something that started with Obama.
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the U.S. system is rotten, because since 250y there hasn't been any adaptation of the U.S. constitutional system to modern time needs.

I stopped reading at the end of the sentence. Once again you show your ignorance of US politics. The Constitution itself gives the blueprint. It is called amendments. There have been 27 changes to the Constitution. Everything from abolishing slavery to women's suffrage to changing the voting age.
Sorry, excuse moi
To my excuse for writing this one untrue sentence: I sit here in a south side flat without air conditioning and we have the longest heat period with over 31 Celsius ever recorded.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 15, 2020 4:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This story would be top of the fold headline news in every newspaper and every broadcast in the country if the FBI attorney had done this to any democRat.

Just another example of the dishonesty of the MSM.
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To my excuse for writing this one untrue sentence: I sit here in a south side flat without air conditioning and we have the longest heat period with over 31 Celsius ever recorded.

I understand. It is forecast for 103 F here today. :wink:
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 15, 2020 7:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Is the actual altered email published somewhere? I’m having trouble finding it.

This has a pretty good description of it:
https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/connecting-the-dots-in-clinesmiths-russiagate-guilty-plea/
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 15, 2020 9:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

richk449 wrote:
richk449 wrote:
Is the actual altered email published somewhere? I’m having trouble finding it.

This has a pretty good description of it:
https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/connecting-the-dots-in-clinesmiths-russiagate-guilty-plea/
Can you imagine the difference in coverage if this was the Bush Justice Dept. doing the very same things to Barry? Insurance policies, falsifying documents, etc.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 15, 2020 10:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Old School wrote:
richk449 wrote:
richk449 wrote:
Is the actual altered email published somewhere? I’m having trouble finding it.

This has a pretty good description of it:
https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/connecting-the-dots-in-clinesmiths-russiagate-guilty-plea/
Can you imagine the difference in coverage if this was the Bush Justice Dept. doing the very same things to Barry? Insurance policies, falsifying documents, etc.

This seems to be covered everywhere: NBC, ABC, CBS, New York Times, PBS, NPR, etc. Not sure why you think this isn't being covered.
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richk449 wrote:
Old School wrote:
richk449 wrote:
richk449 wrote:
Is the actual altered email published somewhere? I’m having trouble finding it.

This has a pretty good description of it:
https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/connecting-the-dots-in-clinesmiths-russiagate-guilty-plea/
Can you imagine the difference in coverage if this was the Bush Justice Dept. doing the very same things to Barry? Insurance policies, falsifying documents, etc.

This seems to be covered everywhere: NBC, ABC, CBS, New York Times, PBS, NPR, etc. Not sure why you think this isn't being covered.
You yourself said you were having problems finding info.

Are you always so contrary?

I went to NBC News.... nothing on the first page. I went to ABC News..... nothing. I went to CNN yesterday and there was.... nothing. Are there articles? Yes. Very conveniently buried. Are you going to tell me you went to all those sites you mentioned, or the physical paper and saw the articles first hand? Are you going to claim with a straight face that the coverage would have been the same under my scenario?
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 16, 2020 12:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

richk449 wrote:
Old School wrote:
richk449 wrote:
richk449 wrote:
Is the actual altered email published somewhere? I’m having trouble finding it.

This has a pretty good description of it:
https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/connecting-the-dots-in-clinesmiths-russiagate-guilty-plea/
Can you imagine the difference in coverage if this was the Bush Justice Dept. doing the very same things to Barry? Insurance policies, falsifying documents, etc.

This seems to be covered everywhere: NBC, ABC, CBS, New York Times, PBS, NPR, etc. Not sure why you think this isn't being covered.

It all depends on how you define "is". I mean how you define "covered". I think you know what he means and you are being willfully obtuse.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 16, 2020 9:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

richk449 wrote:
This has a pretty good description of it:
https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/connecting-the-dots-in-clinesmiths-russiagate-guilty-plea/
I learn:
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Comey subsequently added, “As with any counterintelligence investigation, this will also include an assessment of whether any crimes were committed.” As I have previously countered, that is not exactly right. The Justice Department generally considers it an abuse if counterintelligence surveillance authorities (which do not require proof of probable cause of a criminal-law violation) are exploited to steer criminal investigations (which do). What I believed Comey was referring to is the unremarkable fact that, if in the course of a legitimate non-criminal investigation, agents stumble upon criminal conduct, they are not required to ignore it. But it is not a regular aspect of a counterintelligence investigation to assess the intelligence gathered to determine whether crimes were committed.

Based on disclosures of documents generated by the investigation, as well as DOJ inspector-general reports, we now know that the FBI opened Crossfire Hurricane as both a criminal and a counterintelligence investigation. The charge filed by Durham today does not mention counterintelligence, even though FISA surveillance is derived from counterintelligence authorities. By contrast, Comey in his testimony framed the probe as a counterintelligence investigation; he only mentioned an assessment of possible criminal activity in passing, and did not mention FARA at all.

The FISA regime was created as a tool for counterintelligence and not criminal investigation. Therefore it was not a problem to have less of normal "due process". But as soon as the FBI extends to criminal investigation that system rottens. My question:
Why isn't there an institutional divide in the first place?
Why is the FBI service - we know as the best fighter against criminals - working as an intelligence agency?

When the FBI does work in counterintelligence surely other agencies must co-work and share names, but in regard to double agents this rottens intelligence on foreign countries:
Today we know Castro steered his own assassination attempts of the CIA using his double agents. And for hundreds of years that was the most effective tool for any intelligence agency. But if I was a russian spy and had to decide to effectively work for the CIA as a double agent, would I do that knowing my name is shared with the FBI country wide? Would I feel save going back to Russia?
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 17, 2020 2:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bones McCracker wrote:
I think you know what he means and you are being willfully obtuse.

What else is new?
Old School wrote:
Are you always so contrary?

Yes

Old School wrote:
I went to NBC News.... nothing on the first page. I went to ABC News..... nothing. I went to CNN yesterday and there was.... nothing. Are there articles? Yes. Very conveniently buried. Are you going to tell me you went to all those sites you mentioned, or the physical paper and saw the articles first hand?

I just searched news.google.com. Gong to a website front page? What is this, 1997?

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Are you going to claim with a straight face that the coverage would have been the same under my scenario?

Well, Rachael Maddow would cover it differently. Or Keith Olberman (is he still around?). Sean Hannity or Bill O'Riley (is he still around?) would also cover it differently. I don't think the New York Times would cover it differently.
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I don't think the New York Times would cover it differently.


Funny when one considers it was the Times that led the Russia Collusion hoax for over 2 years.

Kinda long but good read
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I don't think the New York Times would cover it differently.


Funny when one considers it was the Times that led the Russia Collusion hoax for over 2 years.

Kinda long but good read

Yea, and the NYTimes was also a leader in the "Iraq has WMDs" story. In both cases, it got it wrong.

Are you saying you want it to get this FBI case wrong too for the sake of fairness?
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richk449 wrote:
Old School wrote:
richk449 wrote:
I don't think the New York Times would cover it differently.


Funny when one considers it was the Times that led the Russia Collusion hoax for over 2 years.

Kinda long but good read

Yea, and the NYTimes was also a leader in the "Iraq has WMDs" story. In both cases, it got it wrong.

Are you saying you want it to get this FBI case wrong too for the sake of fairness?

Are you saying you like The Times because they continually promote the Military/Industrial/Intelligence Complex and Establishment politicians over the Constitution?
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