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PostPosted: Thu Aug 20, 2020 10:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nah. Suburbs are doing fine in SF Bay Area - the shaded area. At least part of the change is probably due to tech companies allowing wfh, so it is no longer necessary to live near work.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 23, 2020 2:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Speaking of bay area suburbs, thought some of you would enjoy this:

Open borders comes to bay area suburbs
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 23, 2020 3:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

First post: Bah... anecdotal nonsense.

Second post: Yup... turning into a shit-hole, just like I said.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 23, 2020 8:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

US Census Bureau version of Palo Alto

A long time ago, I flew out of West Valley Flying Club at the Palo Alto Airport. Good times, but damn, the current rental prices ...
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 10, 2020 11:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/09/10/manhattan-rental-market-plunges-leaving-15000-empty-apartments.html
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 11, 2020 1:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www1.nyc.gov/site/doh/covid/covid-19-data.page


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Confirmed deaths*
Deaths following a positive COVID-19 laboratory test 19,099


Probable deaths
Cause of death reported as "COVID-19" or equivalent, but no positive laboratory test 4,642


Not all of them moved.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 12, 2020 4:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Those Democrats may be dead, but they'll probably be submitting absentee ballots.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 12, 2020 7:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Those Democrats may be dead, but they'll probably be submitting absentee ballots.
You should ask @Old_School
They mail their votes in Oregon since decades, because there are living only a few americans in beaver compounds these animals build in the river. But less voter fraud in Oregon than elsewhere.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 12, 2020 10:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ulenrich wrote:
Bones McCracker wrote:
Those Democrats may be dead, but they'll probably be submitting absentee ballots.
You should ask @Old_School
They mail their votes in Oregon since decades, because there are living only a few americans in beaver compounds these animals build in the river. But less voter fraud in Oregon than elsewhere.
No junk mailing here in Oregon. The ballot is mailed to a named registered voter at a specific address. Signatures are required for a returned ballot. There is still the problem of coercion; one household member forcing others to vote a certain way, or voting for a deceased person, or voting for a person who had moved and did not inform the elections board.

The only sure fire way is in person voting with a valid ID.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 14, 2020 4:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The only sure fire way is in person voting with a valid ID.
When people gain the ability to vote, many risk their lives to do it. As a result, the only credible first world argument I can come up with against requiring in person voting with valid ID is to protect voter fraud.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 14, 2020 5:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ahh but didn't you know those poor black people aren't smart enough to get IDs? That is so racist to require an ID to vote!

Well, that is about the only argument I have ever heard against voter ID. Personally I can't see why drinking or purchasing a firearm should require any more identity requirements than voting. Voting is far more important.

The entire system we have now seems to be designed to shield voter fraud from being apparent. Ever since the 1990s it would be trivial to make a national database cross referencing social security numbers and voter registration. If someone moves or dies that database could very easily be updated since that information is tracked anyway. If an immigrant tried to register it would be flagged right away. Then at the polls you can easily confirm who shows up and who does not. As we have it now we can't really trap the large number of multiple state registrations or even that people are who are ineligible and registered anyway. As long as none of that is proven on a large scale voter fraud is a myth. But if you can't verify how can you measure?
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 14, 2020 8:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Addressing the broader issue of obtaining an ID being any kind of burden, it is simply untrue in any practical, meaningful sense.

For as long as I can recall, any compulsory government interaction I've experienced has required one or more forms of ID. Excluding elected office, apparently, employment requires multiple forms of ID. Opening accounts with banks and credit unions requires an ID, as do many in person interactions, such as loans. Excluding payment, I can't recall if auto registration and obtaining insurance requires ID. Alcohol, tobacco and firearms. ID. Prescription drugs and legal recreational marijuana. ID. Legal gambling, various entertainment venues, and flying. ID. And to avoid the argument, I didn't bother listing renting a car, purchasing a home or other large expenses that typically require ID for reporting purposes.

I'd be curious to learn how people without an ID accomplish many of the ordinary tasks that require an ID.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 14, 2020 10:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is a great viral video where a guy asks ordinary black people that on youtube. They all have ID and know exactly where to get one. They also can't imagine living without one. Unfortunately I don't remember enough details to find it.

The only argument I can see against mandatory voter ID is that it comes with a fee that would be a poll tax. To that I say what are taxes for if not providing free ID cards? I actually think that is already a thing.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 15, 2020 12:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Doctor wrote:
There is a great viral video where a guy asks ordinary black people that on youtube. They all have ID and know exactly where to get one. They also can't imagine living without one. Unfortunately I don't remember enough details to find it.

The only argument I can see against mandatory voter ID is that it comes with a fee that would be a poll tax. To that I say what are taxes for if not providing free ID cards? I actually think that is already a thing.


Ami Horowitz video is what you are referring.

Just another example as to why White liberals are the true racists.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 15, 2020 12:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Using mailing early vote would be a way to win the election for Trump, especially while he organizes indoor deathmatches all over the country for old people.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 15, 2020 1:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Doctor wrote:
There is a great viral video where a guy asks ordinary black people that on youtube. They all have ID and know exactly where to get one. They also can't imagine living without one. Unfortunately I don't remember enough details to find it.

The only argument I can see against mandatory voter ID is that it comes with a fee that would be a poll tax. To that I say what are taxes for if not providing free ID cards? I actually think that is already a thing.
Yes, great video. Poll tax! Now that is the first reasonable argument I've heard. But I'm going to refer back to my other arguments. When it comes to getting what they want, people manage to find a way to get an ID, legal or otherwise, that most certainly isn't free. So I disagree that ti is a barrier. Nevertheless, for those who can credibly claim it is a financial burden, it could be an allowable cost on whatever they're calling welfare / benefit credit cards. I guess the more appropriate issue there is an allowance for a certain number of replacement IDs, since they probably need one to receive the benefits in the first place (maybe they don't... which would be scary).
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 15, 2020 12:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Using mailing early vote would be a way to win the election for Trump, especially while he organizes indoor deathmatches all over the country for old people.

It surely would save a few thousand old people if CoVid-19 would bring Trump personally a weeks long break. If science correctly predicts the virus spreads over time in a closed doors room then Trump should have been concerned. But he was not concerned for himself in Nevada: "Because I am on a stage very far away."
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 15, 2020 6:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ha! haven't you figured out yet that every single model out there has over predicted the spread and lethality of COVID? Besides, its the guys you like who intentionally put sick people into old folks homes and caused massive amounts of death. Not Trump.

We also know that hydroxychloroquine is highly effective at treating it, but any scientist who tries to point that out gets censored by media and democrats. Of course, the over seas ones are free to speak. Funny how the top virologist in France is all for it and 100% convinced of the effects but there is still "no evidence and no scientists supporting the treatment."
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2020 1:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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We also know that hydroxychloroquine is highly effective at treating it,
It is effective in the beginning of the infection only, because all the bad thing happening to your lungs is from yourself - your imune system destroying in panicking. The best time to take this medicine is three days in front of the day you get the symptoms of the disease.
Good luck with testing return time in the U.S.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2020 3:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Besides, its the guys you like who intentionally put sick people into old folks homes and caused massive amounts of death.

I am very disappointed in ulenrich for putting sick people into old folks homes and caused massive amounts of death.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2020 4:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Doctor wrote:
Ha! haven't you figured out yet that every single model out there has over predicted the spread and lethality of COVID?


"An influential model cited by the White House predicts that coronavirus deaths will come to a halt this summer, with zero deaths projected in the United States after June 21":
https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/13/health/ihme-model-death-predictions/index.html
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2020 5:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

richk449 wrote:
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Besides, its the guys you like who intentionally put sick people into old folks homes and caused massive amounts of death.

I am very disappointed in ulenrich for putting sick people into old folks homes and caused massive amounts of death.

Governor Cuomo then.
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