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PostPosted: Sun Jun 21, 2020 4:54 pm    Post subject: Clean fresh install - is there a way? Reply with quote

Hello,
I have used Gentto for many years, but around 10 years ago I stopped because I got married.
I would like to go back to using it but the installation seems to be much worse these days. I just want to make one clean installation, stable release (amd64), no experiments (at least at the begginning), but even without desktop evironment (KDE or something) the emerge --world gives so many circular dependencies that I am even unable to read and list them all.
So I wonder is there a way to create basic working gentoo environment without this dependencies pain. After that I will start to adjust it and install more software and reinstall it.

Best Regards,
Mariusz
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 21, 2020 6:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dude, what are you talking about?
You basically just untar stage 3 and install a bootloader and a kernel and you're good to go. How the hell do you get into any problems with emerge doing just that?

Now, if you want to actually ask for help, we're gonna need some details on what you've done and how it failed.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 22, 2020 5:49 am    Post subject: Re: Clean fresh install - is there a way? Reply with quote

m.s.w wrote:
So I wonder is there a way to create basic working gentoo environment without this dependencies pain.

On a fresh install from a recent stage3 there isn't much dependencies. Be sure to not select a desktop profile.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 22, 2020 8:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

@m.s.w
Welcome back. Installing Gentoo has gotten better in the last few years. If you have a fully blown USEFLAG in (now) /etc/portage/make.conf, this will throw some circular dependencies. I know of java and jpeg are one of them.
In this case, you will have to deactivate java for jpeg (USE="-java" emerge jpeg) to get jpeg installed and then install java.

A fresh installation with a full set of USEFLAG in the make.conf is tricky, not impossible.

If you get stuck, feel free to ask us.

Good luck.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 22, 2020 11:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not sure if you tried to update your old install or you want to start from a clean start.
- update after 10 years: A fresh install is faster
- fresh install just until boot and stuff: Easy
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 22, 2020 2:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

szatox wrote:
Dude, what are you talking about?
You basically just untar stage 3 and install a bootloader and a kernel and you're good to go. How the hell do you get into any problems with emerge doing just that?

Now, if you want to actually ask for help, we're gonna need some details on what you've done and how it failed.


I follow Gentoo Handbook. To update world is the step before kernel config and bootloader config. So I read your post as an adivise to skip it. Or you ment something else?
Thank you.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 22, 2020 2:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Banana wrote:
I'm not sure if you tried to update your old install or you want to start from a clean start.
- update after 10 years: A fresh install is faster
- fresh install just until boot and stuff: Easy


I am doing fresh install. But you all might me right that I was too optimistic with use flags. I always used Gentoo without Desktop Environment so I used USE flags set from my previous installation (got it archived).
Will start with minimal set and try it.
Thank you.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 22, 2020 5:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I want to say that I ever install the stage3 tarball some years ago and did an emerge world in it without any personnalisation, just the default values in make.conf and it fail. So yes I think that you must go slow with the USE flags and the global personnalisation.

USE flags who can be put together long ago and succeed may not after a long time.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 24, 2020 12:31 am    Post subject: Re: Clean fresh install - is there a way? Reply with quote

m.s.w wrote:
Hello,
I have used Gentto for many years, but around 10 years ago I stopped because I got married.
I would like to go back to using it but the installation seems to be much worse these days. I just want to make one clean installation, stable release (amd64), no experiments (at least at the begginning), but even without desktop evironment (KDE or something) the emerge --world gives so many circular dependencies that I am even unable to read and list them all.
So I wonder is there a way to create basic working gentoo environment without this dependencies pain. After that I will start to adjust it and install more software and reinstall it.

Best Regards,
Mariusz


Cześć Mariusz,
I would say installation has gotten a lot better over the years. I first installed in 2004 and like you, took a long break. Generally though, just follow the handbook and you'll get a basic install. It sounds like with dependencies you are having problems though. When you say they are too long to copy/paste I suggest getting familiar with wgetpaste. If you can get that installed then go head and run emerge within wgetpaste and you'll get a link you can share with us so more knowledgeable people can help you out. Once you get it installed it would be something like:

Code:
wgetpaste -c 'emerge -uDU --keep-going --with-bdeps=y @world'


Hope that helps.
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