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PostPosted: Sat Aug 29, 2020 11:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I don't do follow up requests. The OP said "No one cares when it is a White". And I provided the contrary of that claim.

I don't know for a fact but I am pretty sure: that father had organized a bunch of protests in the town of Kenosho over the last 16 years.
Any intelligent person would know what I meant about no one cares. Of course grieving family members care, that goes without saying. You cannot show any evidence of nation wide protests over any White guy being killed by the cops.

Then you say, I don't know but I'll just pull out of my ass that maybe the father organized something. It is more obvious than ever that you don't know jack.

You fucking FAIL miserably. As Naib said, you are going full retard.

So back up your statement with evidence.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 29, 2020 11:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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"no one cares" was more of a rhetorical statement. it was obvious at least one person cares and that was Old School... so why are you going full retard over this. Look at what was meant by that hypobolic statement... an unarmed black kids gets shot and communities are destroyed across the country and protests around the world. An unarmed white kids get shot and you hear the wind blowing.

Don't you see what was meant when "no one cares when it is a white" was stated...

there is a MASSIVE difference in response for exactly the same situation yet you are refuting this. So how about you provide a link to a news article associated with a public protest when an unarmed white kid is shot by the police ...
You miss one important fact:
There is a video scene of 8:46 minutes long where a man is slowly dying.
Provide me that kind of video first. Since then there are many other videos though, but you don't link to these.
Don't you remember the outrage when the old professor was falling down and broke his head? Nor the big one of a veteran, whose hands were broken by police in front of the court house? Everyone cared the following days on George Floyd demonstrations.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 30, 2020 12:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You clearly didn't even look at the post I linked where a cop shot an unarmed white man otherwise you would not have written what you did.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 30, 2020 1:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

@Naib, my post from 2020-08-21 didn't count as white victim:
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2020-08-04 Phoenix/Arizona police pancaked for 6minutes long 20y old Ramon Timothy Lopez on hot asphalt. He later died
because he has a Latino name. But your example also is a Latino! Why do you think your half a year older police murder is more relevant than my previously posted case which happened in August?

(Yes, I don't like to watch police murder videos so often.)
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 30, 2020 11:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A comparism of U.S. police force with capable german police during this saturdays demonstation:

A)
How 3 lazy american police officers cannot arrest the man without paralyzing him with 7 gun shots.

B)
From the CoVid thread, where this thankfully was linked by
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Here are the last few seconds before his arrest, don't forget to unmute the sound in the video:
https://twitter.com/i/status/1299739693660147713
And here how he is dragged away with lovingly hugs by the police.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zFoQspFeqI&feature=youtu.be&t=18

Oh, where is your comment on police violence and the suppression of reporting about it?
Sorry frank9999 didn't know anything about international law in front of an embassy.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 30, 2020 6:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So German people are okay with police being knifed?

You are either okay with armed men killing police officers or that guy getting shot. No middle ground. He was armed and resisting arrest and the Taser failed to restrain him.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 30, 2020 7:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ulenrich wrote:
A comparism of U.S. police force with capable german police during this saturdays demonstation:

A)
How 3 lazy american police officers cannot arrest the man without paralyzing him with 7 gun shots.

B)
From the CoVid thread, where this thankfully was linked by
frank9999 wrote:
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Here are the last few seconds before his arrest, don't forget to unmute the sound in the video:
https://twitter.com/i/status/1299739693660147713
And here how he is dragged away with lovingly hugs by the police.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zFoQspFeqI&feature=youtu.be&t=18

Oh, where is your comment on police violence and the suppression of reporting about it?
Sorry frank9999 didn't know anything about international law in front of an embassy.



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 30, 2020 8:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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So German people are okay with police being knifed?

You are either okay with armed men killing police officers or that guy getting shot. No middle ground. He was armed and resisting arrest and the Taser failed to restrain him.
Are you joking?
Every police officer can arrest a man armed with a knife without using his gun. Every female police officer in Germany is capable of that. And every non capable police officer shoots the guy in the foot. End of attack. Police only has a problem when they don't know the suspect has a knife. But in this case the suspect in Kenosha said he has a knife in his car.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 30, 2020 11:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Either do you research or shut up. I guarantee that if you put three of those German police against me with a knife most or all of them will be dead and I will walk away. You have no idea what you are talking about. I have spent years training practical hand to hand combat. Your fantasy does not match any reality. They cannot use their bare hands to take a knife away from me. It is highly unlikely that they would be able to use a taser or other non-lethal. Your fantasy of highly trained German officers is pure bullshit. What you have in German are a bunch of pussies who surrender to police because it is expected of them.

The scumbag entered his car and picked up the knife and refused any police commands. He gets shot. Absolutely the way it is supposed to work. He gets absolutely no sympathy from me.

You have no idea what the heck you are talking about. Shoot the guy in the foot? You are an absolute moron. TV shows are not reality. I guarantee you guns are not that accurate, particularly in a stressful situation with a moving target. That cannot be done. You have clearly never shot a gun in your life. The reason he got shot 7 times was because that is what is necessary to disable someone. A single gunshot in center mass or an extremity will not necessarily disable anyone in the short term. They are unlikely to even know they where shot. That is why police are trained to put multiple shots in the suspect center mass.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 31, 2020 2:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Shoot the guy in the foot?

Yeah, I got a good laugh at that line.
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I guarantee that if you put three of those German police against me with a knife most or all of them will be dead and I will walk away. You have no idea what you are talking about. I have spent years training practical hand to hand combat. Your fantasy does not match any reality. They cannot use their bare hands to take a knife away from me. It is highly unlikely that they would be able to use a taser or other non-lethal. Your fantasy of highly trained German officers is pure bullshit. What you have in German are a bunch of pussies who surrender to police because it is expected of them.

Wow. If you were outnumbered 3:1 against trained officers with better weapons than you, you would guarantee that at least two of them would end up dead and you would walk away?

You must be quite the warrior.

Given how unusual your situation is, is it really relevant to day-to-day policing?
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 31, 2020 4:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gelsenkirchen knifeman killed by German police 'mentally ill'

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German police have shot dead a man who tried to attack officers with a knife in the western city of Gelsenkirchen.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 31, 2020 5:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Wow. If you were outnumbered 3:1 against trained officers with better weapons than you, you would guarantee that at least two of them would end up dead and you would walk away?

You must be quite the warrior.

You must have missed the part where the claim was that EVERY German police officer, whether male or female, could put a knife wielding perp under arrest without the use of deadly force with a gun.

By the by, there are about six German cops killed in the line of duty every year.
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The Doctor wrote:
So German people are okay with police being knifed?

You are either okay with armed men killing police officers or that guy getting shot. No middle ground. He was armed and resisting arrest and the Taser failed to restrain him.
Are you joking?
Every police officer can arrest a man armed with a knife without using his gun. Every female police officer in Germany is capable of that. And every non capable police officer shoots the guy in the foot. End of attack. Police only has a problem when they don't know the suspect has a knife. But in this case the suspect in Kenosha said he has a knife in his car.


What's wrong with you in your head?
From my local news the most prominent case, there was another suitable case in the last 2-3 years... Oh and the crime rate here is well below the national average.
https://osthessen-news.de/n11586785/12-polizeischuesse-zwei-kugeln-toedlich-obduktionsergebnis-des-19-jahrigen.html
12 police shots, two bullets fatal - autopsy result of the 19-year-old asylum seeker from afghanistan who had previously attacked a delivery driver for a bakery
a total of twelve shots were fired. "The attacker was hit four times, once in the right thigh and three times in the thorax area." According to the autopsy on Friday evening, two shots were fatal. "How many of the total of twelve shots were warning shots has not yet been determined."

Conclusion German police officers don't manage to stop those armed with knives in time and do also not hit any better than their us colleagues ...
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 31, 2020 10:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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ulenrich wrote:
The Doctor wrote:
So German people are okay with police being knifed?

You are either okay with armed men killing police officers or that guy getting shot. No middle ground. He was armed and resisting arrest and the Taser failed to restrain him.
Are you joking?
Every police officer can arrest a man armed with a knife without using his gun. Every female police officer in Germany is capable of that. And every non capable police officer shoots the guy in the foot. End of attack. Police only has a problem when they don't know the suspect has a knife. But in this case the suspect in Kenosha said he has a knife in his car.


What's wrong with you in your head?
From my local news the most prominent case, there was another suitable case in the last 2-3 years... Oh and the crime rate here is well below the national average.
https://osthessen-news.de/n11586785/12-polizeischuesse-zwei-kugeln-toedlich-obduktionsergebnis-des-19-jahrigen.html
12 police shots, two bullets fatal - autopsy result of the 19-year-old asylum seeker from afghanistan who had previously attacked a delivery driver for a bakery
a total of twelve shots were fired. "The attacker was hit four times, once in the right thigh and three times in the thorax area." According to the autopsy on Friday evening, two shots were fatal. "How many of the total of twelve shots were warning shots has not yet been determined."

Conclusion German police officers don't manage to stop those armed with knives in time and do also not hit any better than their us colleagues ...

There were no knives involved in this case. The first shot was placed in the leg of this crazy man - until during the third attempt to arrest him unsuccessfully he was killed by two shots. Two police men were injured by his use of a club previously.

@frank9999 Do you really want The Doctors therapy for Germany and kill any suspect during the first attempt to arrest? How does this relate to your whiny posts about police brutality during the multiple Coronavirus demonstations in Berlin last Saturday?

A question I would like @Naib to answer:
I know there was a knife epidemic in english towns the last years. How did UK police force handle these young men?
Did they use The Doctors therapy and shot them in the back? How did this resolve?
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 31, 2020 10:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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A question I would like @Naib to answer:
I know there was a knife epidemic in english towns the last years. How did UK police force handle these young men?
Did they use The Doctors therapy and shot them in the back? How did this resolve?


They shoot them, what sort of question is that...

The Knife crime epidemic is stabbings where the police get involved after the fact. almost all stabbings are gang related in streets where it is just gang bangers.
The moment you get some knife welding idiot and police get involved, they do not try to physically disarm them... they will stay 3-5m away and isolate them and try to convince them to drop the knife. If they don't they get tazered or shot if they are a bigger threat.

Do you know how deadly a knife is, especially when compared to a gun.

https://www.ksat.com/news/world/2020/03/09/uk-police-shoot-knife-wielding-man-dead-in-london/

reality isn't some movie where you can take a t-shirt and disarm someone ... if they are a danger and you cannot subdue them, you shoot them. Sure after tonnes of warnings but still.. anyone who says otherwise is an idiot

now answer my questions...
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 31, 2020 11:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ultra Left: Glasgow was the knife crime capital of the world, I think, and has seen a huge reduction over the past decade or two. Not much shooting people in the back. Focus was more on community work, there was a big push asking people to hand in knifes. Cure more than punishment n all that. The guy that taught me how to use a knife also taught the police, hoping I got a few more of his secrets over the years. I don't know much about German police training so unfortunately can't go on record with a solid figure as to how many I could consistently kill in a showdown.
https://quarterly.blog.gov.uk/2019/07/04/a-radical-approach-to-tackling-knife-crime-in-scotland/
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 31, 2020 11:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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ulenrich wrote:

A question I would like @Naib to answer:
I know there was a knife epidemic in english towns the last years. How did UK police force handle these young men?
Did they use The Doctors therapy and shot them in the back? How did this resolve?


They shoot them, what sort of question is that...

The Knife crime epidemic is stabbings where the police get involved after the fact. almost all stabbings are gang related in streets where it is just gang bangers.
The moment you get some knife welding idiot and police get involved, they do not try to physically disarm them... they will stay 3-5m away and isolate them and try to convince them to drop the knife. If they don't they get tazered or shot if they are a bigger threat.

Do you know how deadly a knife is, especially when compared to a gun.

https://www.ksat.com/news/world/2020/03/09/uk-police-shoot-knife-wielding-man-dead-in-london/

reality isn't some movie where you can take a t-shirt and disarm someone ... if they are a danger and you cannot subdue them, you shoot them. Sure after tonnes of warnings but still.. anyone who says otherwise is an idiot

now answer my questions...
You already know me that I read all your links:
ksat.com wrote:
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The force said officers patrolling the area — close to Parliament and tourist hotspots — saw a man acting suspiciously late Sunday. When challenged, he produced two knives and was shot, the force said.

Most British police don't carry firearms, but the area around Parliament is often patrolled by armed officers.

Police shootings are relatively rare in the U.K. In 2019, British police fired guns 13 times. In November, officers shot and killed an attacker inspired by the Islamic State group who had fatally stabbed two people near London Bridge.
The number
13 is half of the knives Hamburg police forcefully collects on our sex mile Reeperbahn on a weekend in pre Coronavirus times. There it is forbidden to carry knives.
So,
when I read about a knife epidemic in the UK I don't believe that only 13 violent young guys in the whole year of 2019 had to be forcefully disarmed. The UK is not a village in german forest Schwarzwald, or is it?

(Why does everyone right wing have troubles to tell the simple truth?)
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dear god you really don't get it do you...

The knife crime epidemic in the UK is NOT people brandishing weapons in the street in some sort of MadMax dystopian society, it is SNEAK kills while people walk in the street. WHEN a knife is visible the police are informed and then it is dealt with. The fact that there are so many people dying and going to hospital is enough for anyone with half a brain to realise THE POLICE WERE NOT THERE WHEN THE KNIFE WAS DRAWN

almost all shootings in the US occur WHEN THE POLICE WERE NOT THERE. Almost all crimes in the entire world occur WHEN THE POLICE WERE NOT THERE

Why does everyone left wing distort everything to meet their narrative to justify further fascist policies, you should know better than anyone what the route of fascism leads to, but you go ahead .
Why does the left always assign a label and dismiss on the label, can't they hold their own. Could it be that their stance has more holes than swiss cheese so it is easier for them to call them names as say "doesn't matter what you say, you are foo"
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Old School wrote:
You must have missed the part where the claim was that EVERY German police officer, whether male or female, could put a knife wielding perp under arrest without the use of deadly force with a gun.

Yea, I guess I did miss that. So I guess I was a bit selective in which silliness I picked on.
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Ultra Left: Glasgow was the knife crime capital of the world, I think, and has seen a huge reduction over the past decade or two. Not much shooting people in the back. Focus was more on community work, there was a big push asking people to hand in knifes. Cure more than punishment n all that. The guy that taught me how to use a knife also taught the police, hoping I got a few more of his secrets over the years. I don't know much about German police training so unfortunately can't go on record with a solid figure as to how many I could consistently kill in a showdown.
https://quarterly.blog.gov.uk/2019/07/04/a-radical-approach-to-tackling-knife-crime-in-scotland/
That is a revealing blog post. It explains the numbers Naib wanted to hide when he tried to defend The Doctors pill. What baffles me Glasgow learned from Chicago and was successful but the american city fails.
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Proinsias wrote:
Ultra Left: Glasgow was the knife crime capital of the world, I think, and has seen a huge reduction over the past decade or two. Not much shooting people in the back. Focus was more on community work, there was a big push asking people to hand in knifes. Cure more than punishment n all that. The guy that taught me how to use a knife also taught the police, hoping I got a few more of his secrets over the years. I don't know much about German police training so unfortunately can't go on record with a solid figure as to how many I could consistently kill in a showdown.
https://quarterly.blog.gov.uk/2019/07/04/a-radical-approach-to-tackling-knife-crime-in-scotland/
That is a revealing blog post. It explains the numbers Naib wanted to hide when he tried to defend The Doctors pill. What baffles me Glasgow learned from Chicago and was successful but the american city fails.
"wanted to hide" right, you now need to prove that. You have made an accusation that there was act of deceit going on.
You want specific numbers, go fucking look for yourself because every time someone provides something to counter you stupid stance "it isn't what you want". So.. do your own fucking research, learn what a community is (here and in the real world), learn how criminals DO NOT FOLLOW THE LAW.

And again you are back in plunk, you and your posts are a waste of bandwidth
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ulenrich wrote:
Proinsias wrote:
Ultra Left: Glasgow was the knife crime capital of the world, I think, and has seen a huge reduction over the past decade or two. Not much shooting people in the back. Focus was more on community work, there was a big push asking people to hand in knifes. Cure more than punishment n all that. The guy that taught me how to use a knife also taught the police, hoping I got a few more of his secrets over the years. I don't know much about German police training so unfortunately can't go on record with a solid figure as to how many I could consistently kill in a showdown.
https://quarterly.blog.gov.uk/2019/07/04/a-radical-approach-to-tackling-knife-crime-in-scotland/
That is a revealing blog post. It explains the numbers Naib wanted to hide when he tried to defend The Doctors pill. What baffles me Glasgow learned from Chicago and was successful but the american city fails.
"wanted to hide" right, you now need to prove that. You have made an accusation that there was act of deceit going on.
...

Ok, you linked the article correctly and so it only was one click away for me to recover. But you wanted to defend the KKK inspired post of The Doctor, didn't you?
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I guarantee that if you put three of those German police against me with a knife most or all of them will be dead and I will walk away. You have no idea what you are talking about. I have spent years training practical hand to hand combat. Your fantasy does not match any reality. They cannot use their bare hands to take a knife away from me. It is highly unlikely that they would be able to use a taser or other non-lethal. Your fantasy of highly trained German officers is pure bullshit. What you have in German are a bunch of pussies who surrender to police because it is expected of them.

Wow. If you were outnumbered 3:1 against trained officers with better weapons than you, you would guarantee that at least two of them would end up dead and you would walk away?

You must be quite the warrior.

Given how unusual your situation is, is it really relevant to day-to-day policing?
The entire point is they are not better armed. In that situation I would be the only one with a lethal weapon and the rules of engagement to use it. Also, not particularly unusually trained. Most low life people are absolutely deadly with knives and a knife fight is one fight you never want to get into. At close range a knife is far more deadly than a gun.
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At close range a knife is far more deadly than a gun.

He's right, next time you are with a buddy you are comfortable being 1/2 naked around, strip from the waste up and take turns trying to disarm each other of an uncapped sharpie, the number of mortal wounds you sustained is directly proportional to the amount of time you spend washing ink of afterwards.
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