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PostPosted: Mon Jul 06, 2020 8:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Has anyone on this forum been tested?
I have not, and at this time see no reason to be tested.


I was tested, negative, two weeks ago, incident to a visit to a doctor for an unrelated illness. I'll have to be tested again next week incident to upcoming outpatient surgery.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 06, 2020 8:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was tested for anitbodies about a month ago. Result was negative, but that test has about a 50% false negative rate.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 06, 2020 9:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Prof. Michael Meyer-Hermann (TU Braunschweig) says in public TV: his advice is to develop a quick test for Coronavirus infection. He knows it is possible to have such a test giving a result after 30minutes for one Euro cost.

Wow: If you think of the 169 vaccines that are being developed. But they will cost much more and perhaps must be applied multiple times per person .... We could eradicate the virus from earth using massively a quick test in combination with isolation of the infected for 10 days (or less time, because the contagious period of this virus is very short).
7.8 billion test kits.
:lol: :lol: :lol:

As pjp pointed out you need >10 quick tests for my suggested way to eradicate Coronavirus in mankind. But the vaccination is more costly, perhaps 40 dollars/dosis. You may need three per person:
80B < (3 * 40 * 8B) ... 10 times more costly though.
Has anyone on this forum been tested?

I have not, and at this time see no reason to be tested.

I have and my wife has been tested multiple times. Swab and antibody test. Antibody tests came back positive
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 06, 2020 10:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I was tested for anitbodies about a month ago. Result was negative, but that test has about a 50% false negative rate.
That's an info from earlier times, because the antibodies test has a fail rate of 2%. Which adds up to: 4 % positive tests in a population of only 2% infection rate.

Nowadays the U.S. has 3 million positively tested persons. If the real infection count is 12 times higher than the positively tested count (we can calculate from the dead body count of 130t and assuming 0.3% fatalities rate) you get an antibodies test that is telling you an 80% righteous result. The test is working better everyday in the U.S.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 06, 2020 10:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I have and my wife has been tested multiple times. Swab and antibody test. Antibody tests came back positive
The test about the actual infection (PCR) only shortly is giving you a positive result if infected. Only about 10 +/- 3days. A slightly longer test period you have if you take fecal material despite the virus molecules are not living nor infectious from the other side of your body.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 07, 2020 8:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So apparently there are indeed diferrences among strains:
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.28.066977v1.full.pdf

In particular a mutation from D to G of the 614 amino acid of the virus genome produces a slightly different spike protein that binds less easily to the ACE receptors, also other studies show that one of the 2 different strains circulating in Lombardy spread less quickly .... The fastest spreading strain was the prvalent one in Bergamo and caused a high number of deaths, the virus spreads slower also inside the body causing a milder infection.
So maybe the lockdown measures has caused the slow spreading version to prevail, while in some countries the fast spreading strains are still the more common?
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 07, 2020 8:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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So apparently there are indeed diferrences among strains:
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.28.066977v1.full.pdf

In particular a mutation from D to G of the 614 amino acid of the virus genome produces a slightly different spike protein that binds less easily to the ACE receptors, also other studies show that one of the 2 different strains circulating in Lombardy spread less quickly .... The fastest spreading strain was the prvalent one in Bergamo and caused a high number of deaths.
So maybe the lockdown measures has caused the slow spreading version to prevail, while in some countries the fast spreading strains are still the more common?

Should not a "fast spreading" strain become "more common" in evolutionary terms anyway?

The higher death rate in the beginning of the pandemic might be an artefact of the intensive medical care procedures were to develop further at the time. The U.S. claims with record infection rates having lesser death toll.

Due to the virginity of the population in a pandemic the mutation rates are much higher. What bugs me is a vaccine not working in 20 months ahead. I take more hope in an existing U.K. Llama race breeding antibodies for actual treatment of the ill infected.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 07, 2020 10:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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don't trust your sources, please.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_in_Japan


Wikipedia is yet another mainstream media propaganda machine. I've seen a lot of lies and false accusations on wikipedia. Wikipedia also engages in omission of evidences when it's convenient.
Wikipedia would lie especially about COVID-19.

If you want to offset wikipedia bias, visit metapedia, infogalactic, conservapedia, rational wiki, and more.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 07, 2020 10:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Japan Ends COVID — NO Lockdown, Only 851 Dead (0.05% Fatality Rate)

They stopped scamming after scamming 851 deaths. Japan hasn't been co-operative with COVID-19 agenda.

Lockdown leading to tens of thousands of cancer deaths alone – a fraction of what is to come.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 07, 2020 10:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Japan Ends COVID — NO Lockdown, Only 851 Dead (0.05% Fatality Rate)

They stopped scamming after scamming 851 deaths. Japan hasn't been co-operative with COVID-19 agenda.
There are factors in Japan for this result:
- best food in the world (I don't like it, but healthy sea food, vegetables, no Coke)
- poeple are used to masks
- best health authorities during pandemic

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Lockdown leading to tens of thousands of cancer deaths alone – a fraction of what is to come.
Yes,
that is an issue, I know. But on the other side:
- less victims on the german Autobahn
- more children because of more time to sex
- less pollution in the air, less death
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 07, 2020 11:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Should not a "fast spreading" strain become "more common" in evolutionary terms anyway?

Lockdowns reduced contacts so a fast spreading, fast killing strain has less chances to thrive if the contacts are really reduced and more diluted in time. Without lockdown instead the fast spreading becomes prevalent and causes a lot more deaths (like what is happening in ountries that did not go in lockdown.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 07, 2020 11:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

erm67 wrote:
ulenrich wrote:

Should not a "fast spreading" strain become "more common" in evolutionary terms anyway?

Lockdowns reduced contacts so a fast spreading, fast killing strain has less chances to thrive if the contacts are really reduced and more diluted in time. Without lockdown instead the fast spreading becomes prevalent and causes a lot more deaths (like what is happening in ountries that did not go in lockdown.

Sounds logical to me at first. At second thought for lockdown circumstances:
Isn't an isolated spread internal a single family under lockdown circumstances in slow mode most of the time a dead end streat anyway? While the spread to any outside the family most of the time is happening during a very short event (going to the food store ...etc) ?

So, also under lockdown fast spreading events are mostly providing for next generations, because families are dead end streets ?
... just a thought.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 07, 2020 11:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Lockdown leading to tens of thousands of cancer deaths alone – a fraction of what is to come.
Yes,
that is an issue, I know. But on the other side:
- less victims on the german Autobahn
- more children because of more time to sex
- less pollution in the air, less death

The funny thing with big environments or complex situations is they are big enough to allow to cherry pick for arguments.

For example, WWW is big enough to find whatever one wants the answer to find: want to prove the Earth is flat, search about that and will find plenty, want to search Earth is not flat, search and will find plenty. The more complex and more hairy something is, the more diffuse and misleading arguments can be found.

Same here:
less victims on the Autobahn <---> more suicides indoors
more children because of more sex <---> more divorces because of too much time together
less pollution in the air, less death <---> more poison spread on the streets and in the building with disinfection

A counter-list is easy to find for any argument regarding a complex situation. Not saying your arguments are wrong, only very biased. Maybe because I think the world overreacted, I find those argument very weak, but maybe I'm wrong.

Anyway, I wrote this not to take sides or to change your mind, but to raise the awareness about how in complex or fuzzy situations it is very easy to find examples that reinforce a side, no mater if that particular side is true/correct/fair or not, and from there it all self-fuels and leads to polarization of opinions.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 07, 2020 12:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Farrakhan Warns Black People Against COVID-19 Vaccine And ‘Their Medications’

Belarus’s President Warns Global Elites Using COVID-19 Crisis to Try to Reshape World Order
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 07, 2020 12:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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crocket wrote:
Lockdown leading to tens of thousands of cancer deaths alone – a fraction of what is to come.
Yes,
that is an issue, I know. But on the other side:
- less victims on the german Autobahn
- more children because of more time to sex
- less pollution in the air, less death


The funny thing with big environments or complex situations is they are big enough to allow anyone to cherry pick.

For example, WWW is big enough to find whatever one wants the answer to find: want to prove the Earth is flat, search about that and will find plenty, want to search Earth is not flat, search and will find plenty. The more complex and more hairy something is, the more diffuse and misleading arguments can be found.

Same here:
less victims on the Autobahn <---> more suicides indoors
more children because of more sex <---> more divorces because of too much time together
less pollution in the air, less death <---> more poison spread on the streets and in the building with disinfection

A counter-list is easy to find for any argument regarding a complex situation. Not saying your arguments are wrong, only very biased. Maybe because I think the world overreacted, I find those argument very weak, but maybe I'm wrong.

Anyway, I wrote this not to take sides or to change your mind, but to raise the awareness about how in complex or fuzzy situations it is very easy to find examples that reinforce a side, no mater if that particular side is true/correct/fair or not, and from there it all self-fuels and leads to polarization of opinions.

Yes 8)
Long awaited, but now I got you discussing with your own arguments!

I really expect that death statistics over a ful year will show nothing probably - for our rich countries. Instead I expect for poor african countries famine with counts of victims multiple times the death toll of CoVid-19. I have written a small piece in the thread Covid-19 (part 2) :
Youth in Africa revolt against the old rich guy. He will let you die from dearth just to live longer with his medicine imported from Europe.

Germany discussed this objection against any lockdown for weeks:
If due to the lockdown there are dying more suicidal people from depression than of CoVid-19 in hospitals (or other causes like children beaten to death ...etc), is there any justification for a lockdown?

The discussion brought to light the first sentence of our constitution is essential for the lockdown:
Human dignity is inviolable

The german public consents this short sentence solves the problem with the lockdown: You are not allowed by constitutional law to value any wo/men you can save with a lockdown lower than any amount of people who will suffer from that lockdown in the future, because human dignity ranks higher than the right to live.
This was limited by a judge last week, if there are any other means possible than a lockdown to save lives. In Germany we have a 70 year long history to solve most constitutional problems with the first sentence.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 07, 2020 12:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.wantedinrome.com/news/private-jet-with-us-tourists-rejected-at-italys-borders.html

Yankee go home

Slightly related.
https://www.newsweek.com/florida-teen-dies-after-mother-took-her-church-coronavirus-party-then-treated-her-1515781
Quote:
Florida Teen Who Contracted Coronavirus Dies After Mother Took Her to Church Party, Then Treated Her With Hydroxychloroquine

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 07, 2020 3:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Corona-Warn-App silently takes Europe, seemingly without problems.
Obviously the server part also is opensource, you can run it in a docker. Missing yet:
Noisy signaling to trick spying on infection registrations.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 08, 2020 3:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Burundian President Dies Suddenly after Expelling WHO for False Pandemic

False pandemic means COVID-19. People who control WHO seem to have assassins.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 08, 2020 4:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Burundian President Dies Suddenly after Expelling WHO for False Pandemic

False pandemic means COVID-19. People who control WHO seem to have assassins.

Apparently stupid assassins, since he had already stepped aside when he died.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 09, 2020 10:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Serbia rising up against Covid-19 lockdown nonsense 8)
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 09, 2020 10:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Serbia rising up against Covid-19 lockdown nonsense 8)
While Trump thinks about howto exchange the population with Servia for the best of both governments.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 09, 2020 12:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Serbia rising up against Covid-19 lockdown nonsense 8)
While Trump thinks about howto exchange the population with Servia for the best of both governments.


I have no idea if by misspelling Serbia as "Servia" you were trying to be funny or if it was just a typo. Anyway, nobody cares much about Trump in EU.

The story I know about Serbia is like this: covid numbers were rigged to almost zero in order to make the population to go to vote, then right after the vote, the number were suddenly big again. Then the gov closed the student's dormitories during the exams, as an anti covid measure. Not all the students could afford to go back and forth from were they are, so they went to protest. Police start beating them, then beating the population around the protest area for apparently no reason. It was also an attempt from the protesters to take over a gov building, but they were pushed back by the police. That justified more violence from both sides.

I wasn't there, and I don't speak their language, but that's what I've read yesterday in English, on 9GAG. It was also a video with 3 dudes sitting on a bench in the park, with no one else around, and suddenly beaten by some troupes. Can not find that video again, it was taken down.

Later edit:
Found that video I've seen yesterday in many posts, including journals, not only in social media people's report.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dn4M_SmNkKo

I don't know what is happening in Belgrad, and in Serbia in general, but when so many people are on the streets for 2 nights in a row, that might be for some strong complains, and IMHO for sure is more than one reason for them to be there.
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COVID-19 Close To Losing Its Epidemic Status In The US, According To The CDC

Trump has officially begun to withdraw the US from the World Health Organization as pandemic spikes
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COVID-19 Close To Losing Its Epidemic Status In The US, According To The CDC

Old news. The numbers from this week are skyrocketing.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 09, 2020 4:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Old School wrote:
Has anyone on this forum been tested?

I have not, and at this time see no reason to be tested.


I have the option, mentioned it earlier - but it's pointless, it's not accurate & even if you have had it, don't know how long immunity lasts for and if you pick it up again will you have the same symptoms or worse ?
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