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PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2020 1:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Yeh, that is my nightmare:
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... wild AI that will evolve on its own and be very different from us.
It may operate on a completely different timescale. ...
An intelligence happening without anyone would know about it. Then evolving to super intelligence and perfectly hiding further ... An outbreak of such a beast of intelligence must be confronted before it reaches singularity, which is a mode where we are the puppies.

I don’t get it. How does this happen? AI right now takes massive computing resources. It is going to run on supercomputers without anyone noticing? And how does it evolve? Build its own next generation super computers? How? Without anyone noticing?
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2020 5:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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ulenrich wrote:
Yeh, that is my nightmare:
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... wild AI that will evolve on its own and be very different from us.
It may operate on a completely different timescale. ...
An intelligence happening without anyone would know about it. Then evolving to super intelligence and perfectly hiding further ... An outbreak of such a beast of intelligence must be confronted before it reaches singularity, which is a mode where we are the puppies.

I don’t get it. How does this happen? AI right now takes massive computing resources. It is going to run on supercomputers without anyone noticing? And how does it evolve? Build its own next generation super computers? How? Without anyone noticing?
I consider an AI entity the whole of a corporation whatever the percentage part of actual computated AI. In that sense a state/country can be a Corporation. Now,

these entities are in a competition for having the kind of sophisticated decision calcuting precedures that allow them to forecast realities in the world. If there is any human being on top or not or that human being on top is manipulated to only have that one decision the underlying procedures rendered as most profiable: That will get decided by the coming history of competition.

The question is: Will mankind recognize when we are managed by AI computations or will that digital equipment by itself organize more and more resources for itself. I don't think current pattern matching AI computiations are the way to singularity intelligence though ...

So, in parts my fear is a conspiracy theory (of future times) like the theories mixed by crocket. But in contrary to him I see many competing entities/corporations/countries.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 07, 2020 2:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've said it before, and everybody belittled me, but I'll say it again: the only real answer is global communism and chips in our heads. Remember I predicted it.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 07, 2020 1:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I've said it before, and everybody belittled me, but I'll say it again: the only real answer is global communism and chips in our heads. Remember I predicted it.

All I can say is: I have hope for the new coming of Jesus Christ, because even if something like that is humanly inevitable, my hope is in God. Without divine help, we will end up destroying ourselves. Even The Matrix movie seems prophetic these days (ref.: Space Shades: Humanity's Last Hope | Answers With Joe).
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 07, 2020 3:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good luck with that.

I'm betting I'll be sent to the Soylent Green retirement center for being too old within 20 years. Or maybe just a death panel followed by composting.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 07, 2020 8:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bones McCracker wrote:
I've said it before, and everybody belittled me, but I'll say it again: the only real answer is global communism and chips in our heads. Remember I predicted it.
I don't need a chip in the heads of my puppies to control them. Some treat will tell them what to do. I guess some million new followers will reward the puppies of the social media corporations.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 09, 2020 12:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ulenrich wrote:
Bones McCracker wrote:
I've said it before, and everybody belittled me, but I'll say it again: the only real answer is global communism and chips in our heads. Remember I predicted it.
I don't need a chip in the heads of my puppies to control them. Some treat will tell them what to do. I guess some million new followers will reward the puppies of the social media corporations.

Nobody asked you what you need. In fact, you better get used to that, because the state knows who you need and is not interested in your uninformed opinion on that subject. The Party will TELL you what you shall have, and you simply find joy in the knowledge that it must be exactly what you need.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 19, 2020 11:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok!

richk449 can play the game generated by the AI and have fun: AI Dungeon

But let's appreciate the poem of OpenAI GPT-3 (from GPT-3 Creative Fiction):
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“An Uber-Poem”
Poet, Uber Poet, they whisper
Quietly, softly, eerily
Sometimes, sometimes not
Someday, someday perhaps
If you come, if you work, if you try, you too could write like them.
“If you get up early enough,” they whisper
“If you can read the entrails of chickens with deft and sly fingertips,” they whisper
“If you can read omens and portents, if you can divine fate and calamity with clarity, with mastery,” they whisper
“If you can write with passion, with lucidity, with lyrical fierceness,” they whisper
“If you write as if all the tales of old are passing through your fingers, making their mark upon your flesh, upon your soul,” they whisper
“We shall call you a Uber-Poem.”
“That’s all very well,” you say, “But what is it that I must do? What are they exactly? What is their composition?”
Ah, that is not to be revealed. That’s the mystery. But don’t you worry, don’t you fret, you might one day reach this highest plateau, this exalted state of achievement, of honour. And on that day, you shall bask in the glory of greatness.
“When will that be? When will I become Uber?” you ask
When you can look into the mirror and see a poem looking back at you. When you can hear music in the play of silence. When you can create a writing that leaves people stunned. When you can laugh and weep as you think and breathe and bleed and eat and sleep. When you can dream with the quill in your fingers, then perhaps you will be a poet, a Poet, an Uber Poet.
“How long will that take?” you ask
“That’s up to you,” they say.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 19, 2020 10:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its very formulaic, very patterned, very predictable.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 19, 2020 10:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bones McCracker wrote:
Its very formulaic, very patterned, very predictable.

If it were a specialized AI, yes. But for a generic AI that learned everything by itself browsing freely on the internet, I would say that the level of understanding is quite impressive.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 19, 2020 10:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

To be fair, I'd find it fairly impressive for a human, even, minus a couple rough edges.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 19, 2020 11:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I’ve seen that type of response to GPT3 quite a few times - compared to what we think a human can do, if isn’t that impressive - but compared to what most actual humans do, it’s pretty good.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 19, 2020 11:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

richk449 wrote:
I’ve seen that type of response to GPT3 quite a few times - compared to what we think a human can do, if isn’t that impressive - but compared to what most actual humans do, it’s pretty good.

That's a good way of putting it.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2020 5:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The only way to survive for humans is to fuse with the machines and become essential part for their own existence. Like a primordial gut biome in our bodies, similarly we should become for it (AI, robots, whatever). In a sense you dont put a chip inside you, you put yourself inside a chip.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 23, 2020 12:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Democrats can't use technology; the ne technological Darwinism will weed them out as unfit:
https://www.businessinsider.com/usps-hearing-congress-senator-carper-curses-dejoy-post-office-webex-2020-8
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 23, 2020 3:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bones McCracker wrote:
Democrats can't use technology; the ne technological Darwinism will weed them out as unfit:
https://www.businessinsider.com/usps-hearing-congress-senator-carper-curses-dejoy-post-office-webex-2020-8

Oh come on. Anyone that claims they haven't had that response to webex at some point is lying.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 23, 2020 3:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Bones McCracker wrote:
Democrats can't use technology; the ne technological Darwinism will weed them out as unfit:
https://www.businessinsider.com/usps-hearing-congress-senator-carper-curses-dejoy-post-office-webex-2020-8

Oh come on. Anyone that claims they haven't had that response to webex at some point is lying.

In front of the U.S. Senate? Also, pretty much only organizations wasting taxpayer money are stupid enough to be still trying to use Webex.
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