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PostPosted: Tue May 26, 2020 1:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I created this project during the covid 19 quarantine mostly for personal need because using sys rescue based on arch linux made me disgust, and I published it mostly to see if it could be a useful tool and the number of downloads they gave me so much satisfaction so this makes me think that maybe I could even get a profit. But for the moment I like it to be distributed for free.
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PostPosted: Tue May 26, 2020 4:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Distributed for free != free software
Sounds more like proprietary software to me.
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PostPosted: Tue May 26, 2020 4:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think there is a legal problem with GPL software taken non-free. But I'm not a lawyer and Italian law might be different from US law.
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PostPosted: Tue May 26, 2020 6:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think there's a problem with a company using GPL software internally AND not making their changes/source available, UNLESS they are trying to sell the end result ... selling/making money is the key

On the other hand, shame on the OP for not making it clear in the first place that this was for his companies internal consumption.
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PostPosted: Wed May 27, 2020 1:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Making money is not the key, actually. The key is that recipients of GPL software must be able to exercise the rights guaranteed to them under the license. Whether they paid to receive the software does not matter. If they are given a copy of the binary at no charge, the license requires the distributor to satisfy the source availability obligations. If they pay for a copy of a binary of the software, the license also requires the distributor to satisfy the source availability obligations. Those obligations include making the recipient aware of the rights guaranteed under the license, since a recipient who receives only a binary and no statement of the license might not know they have the right to request the source.
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PostPosted: Wed May 27, 2020 2:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks custom82,
I will give it a try.
I still on SysRescCD v5.3.2 with all updated packages except kernel
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PostPosted: Wed May 27, 2020 3:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cuong Nguyen wrote:
Thanks custom82,
I will give it a try.
I still on SysRescCD v5.3.2 with all updated packages except kernel


I'll be cynical but don't do that.
This guy makes a software for his company, where every version contains some bugs and he wants us to test it, because he doesn't want to pay quality engineers for that.
This is how it really looks like now.
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PostPosted: Wed May 27, 2020 3:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Belliash wrote:
This is how it really looks like now.

Yes!
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PostPosted: Wed May 27, 2020 4:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cuong Nguyen,

If you search the forums, you will find several other 'forks' of the last Gentoo based System Rescue CD.

I can't recommend a hand crafted solution when others admit to using Catalyst, which is the same tool used to automatically build all the binary Gentoo release media, *.ISOs, stages, LiveDVD ...
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PostPosted: Wed May 27, 2020 8:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NeddySeagoon wrote:
Cuong Nguyen,

If you search the forums, you will find several other 'forks' of the last Gentoo based System Rescue CD.

I can't recommend a hand crafted solution when others admit to using Catalyst, which is the same tool used to automatically build all the binary Gentoo release media, *.ISOs, stages, LiveDVD ...


first catalyst shit ... and the gentoo initrd does nothing but load a list of modules hoping to have taken the right one, it seems to me a way to shoot the cock
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PostPosted: Wed May 27, 2020 8:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

custom82,

... but it works everywhere and the build process is repeatable.
Works everywhere is a important system requirement in a rescue system. Some bloat is acceptable in a system you hope you will never need but when you do need it, you have bigger problems than the kernel/initrd boat.

Also, you confuse catalyst and genkernel. Its genkernel that builds the kernel and optionally, the initrd, not catalyst.
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PostPosted: Wed May 27, 2020 8:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NeddySeagoon wrote:
custom82,

... but it works everywhere and the build process is repeatable.
Works everywhere is a important system requirement in a rescue system. Some bloat is acceptable in a system you hope you will never need but when you do need it, you have bigger problems than the kernel/initrd boat.

Also, you confuse catalyst and genkernel. Its genkernel that builds the kernel and optionally, the intird, not catalyst.



no really I was talking about the initrd inside the admin cd or install cd which is the same that genkernel uses.
in fact when I created my ISO the choice was to create one from scratch or use the initrd inside the old sys rescue 5.3.2
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PostPosted: Thu May 28, 2020 1:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

NeddySeagoon wrote:
Cuong Nguyen,

If you search the forums, you will find several other 'forks' of the last Gentoo based System Rescue CD.



I am still looking for a small enough Recovery distro ~1GB in size that contains basic configuration and hacking toolks like partition, filesystems repair, backup and restore, network watching tools etc... that I can put in a small partition on Hard Disk so I can boot it up anytime to reconfigure the system, repartition and install other distros. BTW I dont use install application come with distros but rather just extracting its rootfs and do manual reconfiguration.
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PostPosted: Thu May 28, 2020 5:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cuong Nguyen,

The Gentoo Admin CD maybe?
The ISO is 519MB
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PostPosted: Thu May 28, 2020 5:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NeddySeagoon wrote:
Cuong Nguyen,

The Gentoo Admin CD maybe?
The ISO is 519MB


I've been using it for a while, it's a hardened linux works well, I have it as an option for uefi booting.
I'm not sure it has all the tools that systemrescuecd had but they can be added.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 01, 2020 12:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Belliash wrote:
Cuong Nguyen wrote:
Thanks custom82,
I will give it a try.
I still on SysRescCD v5.3.2 with all updated packages except kernel


I'll be cynical but don't do that.
This guy makes a software for his company, where every version contains some bugs and he wants us to test it, because he doesn't want to pay quality engineers for that.
This is how it really looks like now.



I really did it for myself, just to test myself that then I decided to sell it to my company and it was a later decision. I'm sorry I didn't put you in a position to reproduce my ISO, but I prefer to make some money first.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 02, 2020 6:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

custom82 wrote:
Belliash wrote:
Cuong Nguyen wrote:
Thanks custom82,
I will give it a try.
I still on SysRescCD v5.3.2 with all updated packages except kernel


I'll be cynical but don't do that.
This guy makes a software for his company, where every version contains some bugs and he wants us to test it, because he doesn't want to pay quality engineers for that.
This is how it really looks like now.



I really did it for myself, just to test myself that then I decided to sell it to my company and it was a later decision. I'm sorry I didn't put you in a position to reproduce my ISO, but I prefer to make some money first.


I don't want to reproduce your ISO. You posted your work on open source community forum, so we all reacted to it, trying both help you testing this project and improve it.
But if you prefer to make money, then go and pay some QM for that work, because no-one here is willing to work for you for free and discover errors you made due to non-reproducible process you are even not going to automate.

Can moderator close this topic?
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 02, 2020 7:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not opposed to closing it. I thought it originally seemed a bit questionable from the perspective of trust / security due to their being a new user. Subsequently too many threads were posted to the various language forums (and I believe merged to this thread) which seemed like spam. Given the author's recent comments about it being primarily a business interest, it seems even more spam-like. But I'll assume that's my paranoia unless other moderators and admins agree.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 02, 2020 8:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would prefer the topic die a natural death.
It may be distatefull to many but being distasteful is not against the forum guidelines.
Besides good taste is up to individuals to determine.

The mods team does not have and does not want editorial control in the forums.
Its very important that the forums remain a 'common carrier' like a postal service and not become a publisher, like a newspaper.

It you take the OPs description of the project development in good faith, there is no reason not to, the project started off one way and developed in ways that were not anticipated.
That's life.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 02, 2020 8:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree perfectly please delete it!
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 02, 2020 9:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

custom82,

We don't delete topics. That's editorial control. Its better left as a reminder to to others.
Rather like the end of funroll-loops Read all of that if its new to you :)

We can hide the topic if you feel strongly about it but it will remain is search engines, so that's non preferred.

When everyone stops posting, the topic will drop down the canned searches and disappear.

Edit to fix URL tags
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NeddySeagoon wrote:
custom82,

We don't delete topics. That's editorial control. Its better left as a reminder to to others.
Rather like the end of [url=https://www.shlomifish.org/humour/by-others/funroll-loops/Gentoo-is-Rice.html/funroll-loops[/url]Read all of that if its new to you :)

We can hide the topic if you feel strongly about it but it will remain is search engines, so that's non preferred.

When everyone stops posting, the topic will drop down the canned searches and disappear.


Do as you want, frankly only because I prefer to make some money before making it completely open source you told me of all the colors.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 12, 2020 8:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm uploading version 0.10 with some update. kernel 5.7.2 and migrated the initrd to initramfs within the kernel. I also uploaded the source of the initrd.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 17, 2020 9:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm writing the wiki page https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/How_To_Make_CustomRescueCD, someone helps me to format it correctly, I'm not very practical for these things
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I'll be glad to proof read it. I've done that for quite a few colleagues for whom English is a second language.
Of course some of my friends on the East side of the Atlantic insist that I speak American not English!
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