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PostPosted: Thu Mar 29, 2018 12:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dominique_71, you forgot a political system. It is called, Republicism. Where the majority vote is tempered by a Representative government. That is what the United States used to be.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 29, 2018 12:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Dominique_71, you forgot a political system. It is called, Republicism. Where the majority vote is tempered by a Representative government. That is what the United States used to be.


No, It is what I call republic, and it is not a regime on itself because it is a mixed regime of democracy and feudalism, which give a mix of dictature of the majority and oligarchy as degenerative form. This is in practice what most democracies are, and that no matter if they have several political parties like in the West or only one like in the Republic of Cuba. As always, the question we all must have in mind is for which interest the ones in charge are working? Is it for the commun good, or is it for their own interest? Are they working for making good living conditions for every people like housing and universal health care even for the poorest, or are they protecting the riches, instauring austerity for the poors, and bombing countries which never attacked or occupied their country?

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EDIT: oops commun good, not common god -:)
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 29, 2018 2:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wish I tomorrow could vote for the summer to arrive. Now, that would be a democratic or republican way for nature to deal with being chaotic.
Now, that's not how things works. No system actually works as it is supposed to. Including nature/universe own try being something it's not.

Just check out how blocks of matter collide and stars explode(!). Dramatic, isn't it?
It even invented life to act as if it's chaotic and different.

How can it be?

When all particles work together it still has the same building blocks and criteria to exist has a rule ( a dictatorship). Try make a perfect circle out of blocks. That is in a metaphor way what the universe is trying to do ( Marxism in practice ).
With about all that is in it. It is a skilled actor acting like it's so grand and all. With philosophies and very bright minds it will crumble one day.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 01, 2018 2:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's a theory that has proven wrong. When that happens, a theory becomes myth. People thought the world was flat, then we found it wasn't. People thought you could spread the wealth and people would keep it that way out of the goodness of their hearts, and we found out that was horse shit. Those who cling to such ideas once they've been proven wrong are fools and idiots.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 02, 2018 1:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It's a theory that has proven wrong. When that happens, a theory becomes myth. People thought the world was flat, then we found it wasn't. People thought you could spread the wealth and people would keep it that way out of the goodness of their hearts, and we found out that was horse shit. Those who cling to such ideas once they've been proven wrong are fools and idiots.


yeah. So the imperialist narrative goes.

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Obviously, when we see how a few capitalist democracies are bombing other countries and calling themselves as the "international community" at the same time, we all know they are fully degenerated.

Opposed to what/whom? Because... Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao Zedong and other great leaders.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Black_Book_of_Communism#Estimated_number_of_victims
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Obviously, when we see how a few capitalist democracies are bombing other countries and calling themselves as the "international community" at the same time, we all know they are fully degenerated.

Opposed to what/whom? Because... Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao Zedong and other great leaders.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Black_Book_of_Communism#Estimated_number_of_victims


If you want to talk numbers, capitalism's highest form, imperialism, has directly killed orders of magnitude more than the inflated propaganda figures in 'the black book of communism'.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 02, 2018 7:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Koala Kid wrote:
Dominique_71 wrote:
Obviously, when we see how a few capitalist democracies are bombing other countries and calling themselves as the "international community" at the same time, we all know they are fully degenerated.

Opposed to what/whom? Because... Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao Zedong and other great leaders.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Black_Book_of_Communism#Estimated_number_of_victims


If you want to talk numbers, capitalism's highest form, imperialism, has directly killed orders of magnitude more than the inflated propaganda figures in 'the black book of communism'.

Inflated? So I take you happen to have the right numbers for both, yeah?
Because for me (as the one who has grown up in USSR), 20 million sounds correct, if not modest.

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capitalism's highest form, imperialism

:lol: :lol: :lol: Surely spreading and expanding the revolution by iron fist and having vassal states doesn't count.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 02, 2018 8:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Dominique_71 wrote:
Obviously, when we see how a few capitalist democracies are bombing other countries and calling themselves as the "international community" at the same time, we all know they are fully degenerated.

Opposed to what/whom? Because... Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao Zedong and other great leaders.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Black_Book_of_Communism#Estimated_number_of_victims


Yes, you are right. But capitalism victims are far greater in number. So both are wrong, and today's world is capitalist. The reason they are both wrong and cannot be right is because Capitalism and Marxism are just tools, they are possible economic tools of our way of life, what we call civilization. Which imply the Left is absolutely pathetical when it say its enemy is Capitalism. A wise man doesn't fight a tool, he fight an enemy.

And today that way of life is industrial, which imply its consumption became a mass consumption phenomenon, and our way of life, that is our society as a whole, became a telluric force. We also all know the sixth mass extinction have begun and its path is much faster than the previous ones.

What we have to look is what is wrong with our way of life, with our civilisation concept. A clue is into the bible, in page 2, when God, after he have created everything, give to the man his mission order: "You will dominate the earth and all its creatures." He doesn't talk about respect or love, no, he talk about domination of the earth and of all the living. So here we are, and even today. And like we proved earth is not flat, the sixth mass extinction is the prove our way of life based on the domination of the earth and of all the living is wrong, and will ultimately fail.

So now we know our concept of civilisation is wrong, we can look at how it is realised. History show us than in the first myth of the first civilisation, they celebrated their pride to have bring the progress by erasing millennial cedar forests and replacing them with cities. They failed and what is left is a desert, today called the iracky desert. To build that progress, 2 other things was necessary: mandatory work and money. Here we was, and here we are.

The trinity of our concept of civilisation is progress, productivism and money. Progress is the ideology. It have in common with the religion he promises a better life not today but in a hypothetical future. About productivism: some today's tribes still have the same word to say work and to say game, and the don't know mandatory work or productivism.

Some are thinking the ecology will save the world, and us at the same time. No way! All they want is, like the Capitalists or the Marxists, to bring progress, that in order the remaining tribes can become consumers of the industrial society. So yes, we are in deep shit, the sixth mass extinction will not stop because of more of that industrial civilisation, we left behind the solution, and have no alternative. Welcome in the 21 century! :evil:
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 02, 2018 9:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Koala Kid wrote:
sugar wrote:
Koala Kid wrote:
Dominique_71 wrote:
Obviously, when we see how a few capitalist democracies are bombing other countries and calling themselves as the "international community" at the same time, we all know they are fully degenerated.

Opposed to what/whom? Because... Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao Zedong and other great leaders.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Black_Book_of_Communism#Estimated_number_of_victims


If you want to talk numbers, capitalism's highest form, imperialism, has directly killed orders of magnitude more than the inflated propaganda figures in 'the black book of communism'.

Inflated? So I take you happen to have the right numbers for both, yeah?
Because for me (as the one who has grown up in USSR), 20 million sounds correct, if not modest.

sugar wrote:
capitalism's highest form, imperialism

:lol: :lol: :lol: Surely spreading and expanding the revolution by iron fist and having vassal states doesn't count.


the British killed 35 million in India alone. Estimates of the European colonization of the Americas is around 130 million dead. World War 1 was a war between imperialist states that killed 41 million. 60 million african slaves dead due to white christian imperialists.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 02, 2018 11:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sugar wrote:
Koala Kid wrote:
sugar wrote:
Koala Kid wrote:
Dominique_71 wrote:
Obviously, when we see how a few capitalist democracies are bombing other countries and calling themselves as the "international community" at the same time, we all know they are fully degenerated.

Opposed to what/whom? Because... Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao Zedong and other great leaders.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Black_Book_of_Communism#Estimated_number_of_victims


If you want to talk numbers, capitalism's highest form, imperialism, has directly killed orders of magnitude more than the inflated propaganda figures in 'the black book of communism'.

Inflated? So I take you happen to have the right numbers for both, yeah?
Because for me (as the one who has grown up in USSR), 20 million sounds correct, if not modest.

sugar wrote:
capitalism's highest form, imperialism

:lol: :lol: :lol: Surely spreading and expanding the revolution by iron fist and having vassal states doesn't count.


the British killed 35 million in India alone. Estimates of the European colonization of the Americas is around 130 million dead. World War 1 was a war between imperialist states that killed 41 million. 60 million african slaves dead due to white christian imperialists.

Capitalists and Marxists are the best enemies our suprematist concept of civilisation can buy. Both are morons because both are using the dead bodies made by the opposite side of the coin to justify their own suprematist way of thinking, and to justify the consequences, their own criminal violence. End of the story.

About violence, we have to realise that, if we want a non violent society, we will have to also disarm the States, all of them. Look at the war in Syria: both sides are bombing civilians, and when not bombing them, using the same criminal means to force the survivors to participate at their war. If they don't, they suspect them of being from the other side, imprison them, torture them or kill them. But in that case, as in all the wars from the end of the USSR, they are all capitalists. And what is left of the marxists, as I said before, are just pathetic dreamers which are losing their time fighting a tool. Which imply the hydra have only one head left: Capitalism. And the Hydra is not Capitalism, it is our suprematist way of life, that insane industrial civilisation of mass consumption.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 02, 2018 11:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sugar wrote:
Koala Kid wrote:
sugar wrote:
Koala Kid wrote:
Dominique_71 wrote:
Obviously, when we see how a few capitalist democracies are bombing other countries and calling themselves as the "international community" at the same time, we all know they are fully degenerated.

Opposed to what/whom? Because... Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao Zedong and other great leaders.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Black_Book_of_Communism#Estimated_number_of_victims


If you want to talk numbers, capitalism's highest form, imperialism, has directly killed orders of magnitude more than the inflated propaganda figures in 'the black book of communism'.

Inflated? So I take you happen to have the right numbers for both, yeah?
Because for me (as the one who has grown up in USSR), 20 million sounds correct, if not modest.

sugar wrote:
capitalism's highest form, imperialism

:lol: :lol: :lol: Surely spreading and expanding the revolution by iron fist and having vassal states doesn't count.


the British killed 35 million in India alone. Estimates of the European colonization of the Americas is around 130 million dead. World War 1 was a war between imperialist states that killed 41 million. 60 million african slaves dead due to white christian imperialists.

So we are going centuries back before communism was invented by german lunatics and adopted as lead doctrine by murderous leaders? Some comparison :lol: Man, this is already beyond absurd. Why won't you compare the number of cholera outbreak victims in the middle ages to number of killed Natives?
God knows what would have happened if communism wasn't put in its coffin.
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Dominique_71 wrote:
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Dominique_71 wrote:
Obviously, when we see how a few capitalist democracies are bombing other countries and calling themselves as the "international community" at the same time, we all know they are fully degenerated.

Opposed to what/whom? Because... Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao Zedong and other great leaders.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Black_Book_of_Communism#Estimated_number_of_victims


Yes, you are right. .... Welcome in the 21 century! :evil:

Read it 3 times and still can't comprehend what are you proposing. Mass suicide?
Can you summarize in one clear sentence?
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 02, 2018 12:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Can you summarize in one clear sentence?

I can. Commies need to be bitch slapped and never given a public voice.
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Also, if we disconnect the industrial civilisation, it will be over. And both capitalism and marxism will not survive. :idea:

That imply we have to build an alternative, here and now. And be aware the ones in power doesn't want any alternatives. We must just ignore them and do whatever is needed. What the system hate is vacuum, peoples choosing a tangenta.

About whatever is needed: We must have in mind than the only way to build a durable society is to build it locally. That because the only durable way to manage mother Nature and her ressources is to manage them locally. Which imply we cannot build one society for everybody on Earth but have to build societies based on the local Environment. Doing so implies to stop dreaming having the butter and butter money at the same time, we cannot have that f. industrial architecture as it is now. We can have food, goods and infrastructures, but they must be made of the local resources. If we can manage all of it locally, we will eventually survive. Which imply to rethink about each technologies.

We also must have in mind the sixth mass extinction. This imply we must use the remaining ressources to try to repair the Environment at a global scale. This will let the place and the space for alternatives. Which imply to stop making war, to stop being or accepting to be a soldier going at war for a f. state. We must be peace soldiers only defending ourselves and our families. Failures to do so will be punished by natural extinction. Success to do so will result in a unknown possibility of stopping and reversing the sixth mass extinction. But full success will result in Welcome to Paradise.

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Can you summarize in one clear sentence?

I can. Commies need to be bitch slapped and never given a public voice.

Why? I'm all for free speech. Communists are laughing stock, it's always good to have some of them around.
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Communism wasn't "invented", fools. It's the most primitive form of collective existence there is. Just look at a Petri dish full of E coli, and there's Communism right there. Or an anthill! Or a troop of baboons, all sharing, but with one big mean baboon with a red ass lording over the others. You want Communism, just go back to about 25000 BCE and find some tribe of ignorant African pygmies.
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Communism wasn't "invented", fools. It's the most primitive form of collective existence there is. Just look at a Petri dish full of E coli, and there's Communism right there. Or an anthill! Or a troop of baboons, all sharing, but with one big mean baboon with a red ass lording over the others. You want Communism, just go back to about 25000 BCE and find some tribe of ignorant African pygmies.


a petri dish full of ecoli is free market capitalism. Every individual out for themselves.
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So we are going centuries back before communism was invented by german lunatics and adopted as lead doctrine by murderous leaders? Some comparison :lol:


It's part of the rich history of capitalism
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Communism is for the weak.

Weak minded.
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Communism is for the weak.

Weak minded.


So is Capitalism too. also, Communism and Capitalism are not political systems, they just are economical tools. Look at Cuba's political system, they said in their constitution it is a marxist state, and in practice it is a Republic like most if not all capitalist countries.

Also, the big issue in our society is its duality. From day one, all civilisation wanted to bring civilisation, which in practice always consisted, and still constit today, of making war in order to get cheap resources and goods. That result into a duality: Civilisation against Nature and Mankind, good against evil, capitalism against marxism, democracy against dictatorship, and so on. And I am sick of that duality. People must understand that, a so called democracy is not better than the worst dictatorship when it bomb other countries that never agressed them. And with the sixth mass extinction, it is not by poursuing that armed and criminal fagotery we will do any good.
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Communism wasn't "invented", fools. It's the most primitive form of collective existence there is. Just look at a Petri dish full of E coli, and there's Communism right there. Or an anthill! Or a troop of baboons, all sharing, but with one big mean baboon with a red ass lording over the others. You want Communism, just go back to about 25000 BCE and find some tribe of ignorant African pygmies.


a petri dish full of ecoli is free market capitalism. Every individual out for themselves.

Yeah, right. It's an E coli eat E coli world. :roll:
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You know who is nationalist AND Marxist?
The National Socialist Party (Nazis).

You know who else?
The Democrats.
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Democrats are more of the Maoist variety of authortarian.
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Communism wasn't "invented", fools. It's the most primitive form of collective existence there is. Just look at a Petri dish full of E coli, and there's Communism right there. Or an anthill! Or a troop of baboons, all sharing, but with one big mean baboon with a red ass lording over the others. You want Communism, just go back to about 25000 BCE and find some tribe of ignorant African pygmies.


a petri dish full of ecoli is free market capitalism. Every individual out for themselves.


Actually that's not true. There are countless examples of bacteria behaving in communal ways. For example they create structures called pili to transfer useful packets of DNA to other bacteria, maybe it contains the code for a protein that confers resistance to a particular antibiotic. When one studies bacteria, what is more interesting than the individual structure of one, but rather the way in which it expands. Microbiologists are frequently more interested in the structure of the colony itself.

Think of it this way a bacteria is an individual, but every single fission begets another individual with, mutations not withstanding, functionally identical genetics. From a purely evolutionary perspective the memes generated are far more successful if the bacteria works together to mutually achieve survival and spread. That's what we see in microbiology.
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