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PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2018 12:23 am    Post subject: Theresa May is a criminal lunatic Reply with quote

This is the leaked full "handout" that the UK gave to other EU/NATO countries, that should ""prove"" the alleged guilt of Russia in the alleged poisoning of the Skripals:

https://im4.kommersant.ru/ISSUES.PHOTO/DAILY/2018/052/UK_Briefing_2203_p01.png
https://im5.kommersant.ru/ISSUES.PHOTO/DAILY/2018/052/UK_Briefing_2203_p02.png
https://im6.kommersant.ru/ISSUES.PHOTO/DAILY/2018/052/UK_Briefing_2203_p03.png
https://im7.kommersant.ru/ISSUES.PHOTO/DAILY/2018/052/UK_Briefing_2203_p04.png
https://im8.kommersant.ru/ISSUES.PHOTO/DAILY/2018/052/UK_Briefing_2203_p05.png
https://im9.kommersant.ru/ISSUES.PHOTO/DAILY/2018/052/UK_Briefing_2203_p06.png

On the basis of this embarrassing paper (!), the EU/NATO countries have now expelled Russian embassy members from the countries.
Indeed, have almost all heads of state in these countries now become completely crazy about making decisions based on this shameful "report"?
The whole work is full of omissions, falsification and complete lies. And certainly does not proveany form of guilt of Russia in this alleged crime.
No wonder the UK has tried to prevent publication of this bad joke.
I'm curious if Western MSM will print these pages, I probably do not think because of the ridiculousness of this paper.

Here are a few examples (I'm not in the mood for more!)
1) Novichok was developed not by russia, but of the USSR. The only facility was in Uzbekistan, and now guess who has dismantled the plant and destroyed "all" chemicals there: the US!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/415742.stm

2) UK is lying about the number of injured, conceals that the examined persons except for 3 (both Skripals and one police officer all other show NO signs of poisoning. and the policeman was released from hospital a few days ago.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/british-retaliation-against-russia-s-actions-p5hmpj8jh
Sir, Further to your report (“Poison exposure leaves almost 40 needing treatment”, Mar 14), may I clarify that no patients have experienced symptoms of nerve agent poisoning in Salisbury and there have only ever been three patients with significant poisoning. Several people have attended the emergency department concerned that they may have been exposed. None has had symptoms of poisoning and none has needed treatment. Any blood tests performed have shown no abnormality. No member of the public has been contaminated by the agent involved.
Stephen Davies
Consultant in emergency medicine, Salisbury NHS Foundation Trust

3) "Russian Invasion" of Georgia in 2008.
Seriously? The Georgians bombard the capital of South Osettia with heavy artillery and kill a large number of civilians. Contemporaneous a massive invasion of Georgian troops on a broad front deep into South Osettia.
AFTER THAT, Russia has kicked out the aggressors and persecuted the aggressors down to Georgian territory. Too bad that they stopped too early. See:
Georgia started war with Russia: EU-backed report by Swiss diplomat Heidi Tagliavini
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-georgia-russia-report/georgia-started-war-with-russia-eu-backed-report-idUSTRE58T4MO20090930

4) Many, many more see the blog of the former British Ambassador to Uzbekistan Craig Murray https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/


In general, I doubt the guilt of Russia in this matter, there is no really convincing motive. It makes NO sense to kill an unimportant, former traitor who was pardoned and exchanged 8 years ago.
Besides, with a weapon totally unfit for this purpose, and then the victim is not even dead? And the alleged weapon then leads directly to Russia as a perpetrator?
Does anyone really believe that the Russian intelligence service should be so incompetent?
The same secret service hacking nearly all the servers on this planet, that influenced the US election so Trump was elected, manipulates and influences the Brexit vote, etc. :D


NO this whole thing is a lie and staged by western intelligence agencies and governments led by the British, to blame Russia.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2018 1:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The one thing I can agree with is that it is strange that Russian Intelligence would use something so easily traceable back to them. Vlad did threaten all the traitors, he's done it before, it's greater than 50/50 that he had it done.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2018 2:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Old School wrote:
The one thing I can agree with is that it is strange that Russian Intelligence would use something so easily traceable back to them. Vlad did threaten all the traitors, he's done it before, it's greater than 50/50 that he had it done.
It is only strange if you think they care or were trying to "not get caught." Everyone "knows" it is probably on Vlad's orders, but there is no real proof, is there? So, who's going to do what about it? I think it is deliberate demonstration of his lack of concern.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2018 4:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It took you this long to notice?
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2018 6:20 am    Post subject: Re: Theresa May is a criminal lunatic Reply with quote

frank9999 wrote:
NO this whole thing is a lie and staged by western intelligence agencies and governments led by the British, to blame Russia.


A cigar is sometimes just a cigar.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2018 9:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The fake poison gas attack should have been only the overture.
This is probably mainly to classify certain toxins as "doubtless Russian origin". The next act of this opera will then take place in Syria or Ukraine, where large quantities of this poison will be used against large crowds. The origin of the poison and the perpetrators of the massacre need then no longer be questioned ...

The US Empire is at a turning point in its history. If it can not enforce its plans neither in Ukraine nor in Syria, it goes down with its power rapidly and it breaks down in the foreseeable future under its debt mountains.
Of course, the strategists in Washington know that, too, and they increase the use of these conflicts to the threat of the great war against Russia (and China). And if Russia still can not be provoked by the foreseeable False Flag actions in Syria or in Ukraine: A poison gas massacre in the middle of New York, another "Pearl Harbor", is certainly sufficient as justification for the nuclear first strike. That might sound too pessimistic, but it's probably more realistic.

For the policy and propaganda of the US Empire and its vassals, there is no way, after the current escalation of anti-Russian actions, to return to halfway normal and peaceful relationships without total loss of face.
The great war against Russia seems to have been decided long ago.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2018 9:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Old School wrote:
The one thing I can agree with is that it is strange that Russian Intelligence would use something so easily traceable back to them. Vlad did threaten all the traitors, he's done it before, it's greater than 50/50 that he had it done.


Have you looked at the British report I linked above? Do it!
On the other hand by comparison, even the Powell presentation to the UN looks "more credible".
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2018 9:36 am    Post subject: Re: Theresa May is a criminal lunatic Reply with quote

John-Boy wrote:
frank9999 wrote:
NO this whole thing is a lie and staged by western intelligence agencies and governments led by the British, to blame Russia.


A cigar is sometimes just a cigar.


But please take a look at the report linked by me!
And now the question, supposing you were a head of state of a country.
Would you actually make seriuos decisions based on such a report?
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2018 9:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh, and sometimes there are really "weird" coincidences, an hour ago, my FAKE Facebook account was taken over:



Registered with the same email address as here. And I had used a fairly long generated unique password there ....
So, if I submit comments here shortly to support the US Deep State, you know that this account was than also taken over ....

Update: removed the facebook mail.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2018 10:10 am    Post subject: Re: Theresa May is a criminal lunatic Reply with quote

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John-Boy wrote:
frank9999 wrote:
NO this whole thing is a lie and staged by western intelligence agencies and governments led by the British, to blame Russia.


A cigar is sometimes just a cigar.


But please take a look at the report linked by me!
And now the question, supposing you were a head of state of a country.
Would you actually make seriuos decisions based on such a report?


Look, what scenario requires less energy to create/maintain ?

There's a plot lead by western powers to destabilise Russia.
Or somebody with a questionable record on human rights (Mr P) instigated a chemical weapons attack on sovereign soil, and the reason why tracks haven't been covered, is that he doesn't give a stuff who actually knows. In fact the more that know the better.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2018 10:25 am    Post subject: Re: Theresa May is a criminal lunatic Reply with quote

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frank9999 wrote:
John-Boy wrote:
frank9999 wrote:
NO this whole thing is a lie and staged by western intelligence agencies and governments led by the British, to blame Russia.


A cigar is sometimes just a cigar.


But please take a look at the report linked by me!
And now the question, supposing you were a head of state of a country.
Would you actually make seriuos decisions based on such a report?


Look, what scenario requires less energy to create/maintain ?

There's a plot lead by western powers to destabilise Russia.
Or somebody with a questionable record on human rights (Mr P) instigated a chemical weapons attack on sovereign soil, and the reason why tracks haven't been covered, is that he doesn't give a stuff who actually knows. In fact the more that know the better.


Georgi Markov - Ricin umbrella
Alexander Litvinenko - Polonium

Each one lacked black & white evidence but all with a high probability it was state-sponsored: opponent of leading, a subtle fingerprint but but definitive (Polonium has such a short halflife (130days) and can only be produced in a nuclear reactor.. We now have another with a nerve agent ... but this time bystanders have been impacted...
1) Daughter (wtf has she todo with this)
2) Policeman ... line crossed

This is just UK.. Alot of countries have had opponents of USSR/Russia mysteriously die/seriously sick by very obscure means. Ukraine president comes to mind. There is a nasty foreign policy at play and playing innocent in light of what evidence exists as well as patterns is disappointing.

school kids, shoppers? maybe maybe not BUT you cannot deny the policeman. Add all this together and well. For decades Russia/USSR have been doing this, taking out opponent around the world with enough subtle hints it is them BUT no definitive proof. Correlation does not imply Causation But a persistent pattern exists
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2018 12:10 pm    Post subject: Re: Theresa May is a criminal lunatic Reply with quote

John-Boy wrote:
There's a plot lead by western powers to destabilise Russia.
Or somebody with a questionable record on human rights (Mr P) instigated a chemical weapons attack on sovereign soil, and the reason why tracks haven't been covered, is that he doesn't give a stuff who actually knows. In fact the more that know the better.
Going by Putin's KGB thuggery history, the latter is much more plausible.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2018 6:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I see we have a Russia apologist now. Well the Su-57 sucks, so there!
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2018 7:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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In any case, this was organised by Theresa May, because she’s a friend of Gina Haspel, who has been just appointed director of the CIA.


https://web.archive.org/web/20180313211620/https://tvzvezda.ru/news/vstrane_i_mire/content/201803131813-odpd.htm
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2018 2:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Frank, Frank, Frank. Everybody knows this wasn't Putin's doing; it was The Cabal, doing the bidding of the Reptilians because of the Torsion Fields!
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 4:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Porton Down experts unable to identify 'precise source' of novichok that poisoned spy
https://news.sky.com/story/porton-down-experts-unable-to-identify-precise-source-of-novichok-that-poisoned-spy-11315387

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Porton Down's boss would not comment on whether the lab had developed or keeps stocks of novichok, but dismissed suggestions the substance used to poison the Skripals had come from Porton Down.


The lies of the May regime have collapsed!

If you would have followed the link to the blog of Craig Murray I had given above, you could have read a few days ago that those responsible at Porton Down refused for May.
And many more of the lies of May had already collapsed....

That comes from twisting the legal principle that the defendant should prove his innocence within 24 hours after the British "ultimatum"!


So to catch your breath, here is some music for relaxation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxN1STgQXW8

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 4:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

frank9999 wrote:
[b]The lies of the May regime have collapsed!


Ok, why hasn't the media started jumping all over this ?
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 4:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

John-Boy wrote:
frank9999 wrote:
[b]The lies of the May regime have collapsed!


Ok, why hasn't the media started jumping all over this ?


They are looking for an emergency exit strategy.
If they have a solution, probably burying the case and not reporting about it anymore.
If not, it will be then like in this short video:
https://twitter.com/SteveFranssen/status/980225137403314176
Luckily we have "free" and "independent" press and media in the West , who have an excellent "journalistic" performance.

Back to topic, a must read
Operation Hades - A Model For The 'Novichok' Case?
http://www.moonofalabama.org/2018/04/operation-hades-a-model-for-the-novichok-case-.html#more
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 5:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the North Koreans did it, to stir up trouble.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 5:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

frank9999 wrote:
Porton Down experts unable to identify 'precise source' of novichok that poisoned spy
https://news.sky.com/story/porton-down-experts-unable-to-identify-precise-source-of-novichok-that-poisoned-spy-11315387

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Porton Down's boss would not comment on whether the lab had developed or keeps stocks of novichok, but dismissed suggestions the substance used to poison the Skripals had come from Porton Down.


The lies of the May regime have collapsed!

If you would have followed the link to the blog of Craig Murray I had given above, you could have read a few days ago that those responsible at Porton Down refused for May.
And many more of the lies of May had already collapsed....

That comes from twisting the legal principle that the defendant should prove his innocence within 24 hours after the British "ultimatum"!


So to catch your breath, here is some music for relaxation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxN1STgQXW8

:!:
Is a precise source actually required when there are plenty of other inter-connected threads? Take the history of such hits and smirkish response from Russia, the tell-tail signs of russian hits against russians abroad. Take the methods used in every single instance around the world, take the fact Skripal was attacked days after gaining access to $200,000 which was made available because ANOTHER family member died of mysterious circumstances and had connections to the russian GRU... plus any other information... too many faaaar too many interconnected "coincidences" for it to be coincidence
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 5:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bones McCracker wrote:
I think the North Koreans did it, to stir up trouble.


No.
That was a EU coproduction to stage a poison gas attack between May and that french pocket Napoleon Macron..
Look here are the Russian questions to UK:
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1. Why has Russia been denied the right of consular access to the two Russian citizens, who came to harm on British territory?

2. What specific antidotes and in what form were the victims injected with? How did such antidotes come into the possession of British doctors at the scene of the incident?

3. On what grounds was France involved in technical cooperation in the investigation of the incident, in which Russian citizens were injured?

4. Did the UK notify the OPCW (Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons) of France’s involvement in the investigation of the Salisbury incident?

5. What does France have to do with the incident, involving two Russian citizens in the UK?

6. What rules of UK procedural legislation allow for the involvement of a foreign state in an internal investigation?

7. What evidence was handed over to France to be studied and for the investigation to be conducted?

8. Were the French experts present during the sampling of biomaterial from Sergei and Yulia Skripal?

9. Was the study of biomaterials from Sergei and Yulia Skripal conducted by the French experts and, if so, in which specific laboratories?

10. Does the UK have the materials involved in the investigation carried out by France?

11. Have the results of the French investigation been presented to the OPCW Technical Secretariat?

12. Based on what attributes was the alleged “Russian origin” of the substance used in Salisbury established?

13. Does the UK have control samples of the chemical warfare agent, which British representatives refer to as “Novichok”?

14. Have the samples of a chemical warfare agent of the same type as “Novichok” (in accordance to British terminology) or its analogues been developed in the UK?


It is very obvious that Russia knew exactly who was involved. Or why would the questions be so many references to France...
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 9:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bones McCracker wrote:
Frank, Frank, Frank. Everybody knows this wasn't Putin's doing; it was The Cabal, doing the bidding of the Reptilians because of the Torsion Fields!


And here I was thinking it was the crab people
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43741140

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he international chemical weapons watchdog has confirmed the UK's analysis of the type of nerve agent used in the Russian ex-spy poisoning.


All roads lead to rome as the saying goes. The OPCW has corroborated the identity of the agent and additional "intelligence" indicates there is a production plant active in Russia.
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Where I need to apply to become a Putin rep on Gentoo forums? How much they pay?
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Where I need to apply to become a Putin rep on Gentoo forums? How much they pay?

I can't imagine they pay much. This place is about as obscure as it gets for the politics-obsessed loonies. And yes, if you must know, I am pretending sugar and cokey don't exist.
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