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PostPosted: Sun Jul 23, 2017 4:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Shame they have should fully embraced diversity - the new doctor should have been black, female and wheelchair bound.
https://www.reddit.com/r/funny/comments/6oztw8/your_new_doctor/


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 23, 2017 5:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Shame they have should fully embraced diversity - the new doctor should have been black, female and wheelchair bound.

https://www.reddit.com/r/funny/comments/6oztw8/your_new_doctor/


:lol: :lol: :lol:

So good.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 25, 2017 6:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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http://i.imgur.com/ukemRGv.jpg
well not far wrong...

Also fucking SJW. The 1st Dr was made out to be a sexist pig ... It's like they needed to demonise men to justify a female Dr YET they failed to actually watch the 1st Dr who to see what his character was like
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 25, 2017 7:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Did Disney buy the rights?
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 26, 2017 6:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

For some bizarre reason I feel the need to chime in on this thread 8O

The show has been in a decline since Matt Smith. The writing has sucked and the focus has been on the companion (first Amy then Clara) with the doctor taking an increasingly subordinate role. With frequent breaks to beat the audience over the head with feminism and further emasculation and marginalization of the Doctor with Capaldi it became purely unwatchable, for me at least. The BBC royally screwed the pooch with Wittaker, but not necessarily for casting a female doctor.

Whittaker's real world introduction was handled absolutely terribly. They basically said "she is it! Isn't it feminist?!" When fans wanted answers BBC basically said "This show isn't for you, misogynous trolls."

The in universe isn't any better. Over 50 years of cannon never imply on any level that a gender (or color) swap is possible. Indeed, I can't recall a single instance of a Time Lord who is not an upper class British man or woman. The gender swaps where introduced very awkwardly. The Master has always been doing some bizarre stuff so his swap could easily have been for unnatural reasons. Incidentally, it was also when I finally had enough and turned it off. Then Moffet took it on himself to retcon 50 years of cannon to officially add gender swapping as common and normal. We have seen Time Lord society. Men and woman are treated equally but they are not treated interchangeably. This has all been retconed, as well as the 1st Doctor's good character. Any fan who takes umbrage at the disregard for the previous body of work is simply called names.

This could have been handled very differently. It could have been introduced that a gender swap is a rare and possibly taboo occurrence, thus explaining why we have not seen it before. The real world introduction could have been a press conference where they explain that Wittaker is the best candidate for the job and reassure fans that their concerns over political agendas are heard and taken seriously.

As it is the BBC has divided the fan base and a house divided against itself cannot stand. This will lead to the cancellation of the show. As a long time fan I have mixed feelings about this. I want to see more Doctor Who, but not like this.

EDIT: I'll be the first to say there Wittaker's performance cannot be judged yet, but the BBC has run out of "give it a chance" for me. If they are going to get me back as a viewer then it will have to be after her performance has settled and word of mouth comes back that the problems with the writing have been fixed. Most notably, stop acting like half the world are born evil.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 26, 2017 10:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am sure she will be fine, but the script won't be...
The casual sexism from the 1st Dr was out of place and out of character (go watch the 1st Dr episodes) , what was the point of it? That wasn't what happened, that wasn't what ever happened but now bringing in a female Dr the need to bring in men are sexist was needed...
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 26, 2017 9:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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what was the point of it? That wasn't what happened, that wasn't what ever happened but now bringing in a female Dr the need to bring in men are sexist was needed...
Because without doing so their agenda driven narrative would be out of place.

I believe this rewriting of history is a direct result of antisocial media's impact on society.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 27, 2017 1:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I am sure she will be fine, but the script won't be...
True. Capaldi would have been one of the best Doctors ever, if he wasn't given utter rubbish to work with. Of course, it might help that they don't need a break every five minutes to take a dump on the title character.
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The casual sexism from the 1st Dr was out of place and out of character (go watch the 1st Dr episodes) , what was the point of it? That wasn't what happened, that wasn't what ever happened but now bringing in a female Dr the need to bring in men are sexist was needed...
100% agree. I absolutely love what survives of his work. The bit that made it to YouTube makes me very happy that I didn't see the rest of the special.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 29, 2017 2:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Whittaker's real world introduction was handled absolutely terribly. They basically said "she is it! Isn't it feminist?!" When fans wanted answers BBC basically said "This show isn't for you, misogynous trolls."

Cynical take: Doctor Who has always been infamously done on a shoestring budget. That's why the BBC is replacing the cast with female actors, they pay them less.
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. . . it looks like the public might start rejecting these big franchises. . . .


Surely you must be including Doctor Who in "these big franchises" then!?!?!? Right? I mean it is a HUGE franchise! I would know, I have several hundreds of dollars worth of Doctor Who branded items all around me in my home. I know I'm not the only one!
Really? I thought it was a peculiarly British thing
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 31, 2017 7:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Really? I thought it was a peculiarly British thing
With Matt Smith as the Doctor it jumped the Pond (pun intended)

Doctor Who has always had a cult following. That is why it has survived as long as it has. Die hard fans keep demonstrating that the property is monetarily sound so new content keeps getting made. These are also the fans that the BBC just said "screw you" to. We shall see how insulting their audience works for Doctor Who. It didn't work so well for Ghostbusters: Woman Edition.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 31, 2017 8:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've never really followed Dr Who, watched it a bit in Tom Baker's days - checked a few of the newer episodes out and the writing is bad, that's barring any agenda.

From somebody who likes SciFi/Fantasy in general, the concept of the show should be fertile ground for good scripts without much effort (I said the same about the most recent Star Wars offering).
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I've never really followed Dr Who, watched it a bit in Tom Baker's days - checked a few of the newer episodes out and the writing is bad, that's barring any agenda.
Many of us have known this was coming for a long time. The first two of the new doctors showed promise, then Moffet took over and flushed the writing down the toilet. More than that, he and the rest of the BBC seem to have decided that with Capaldi it was time to start writing openly misandrous stories and characters.

It is really frustrating. If you look at some of the early revived episodes like Father's Day you find a true master piece. It explores the very human reaction of someone who has the opportunity to save a loved one through time travel who cannot be saved. Very emotionally impactful. I kid you not, it brought me to tears. The second season also exhibited very good stories that where emotionally compelling. The third season missed the mark very badly and doesn't have any great or even memorable stories. The fourth recovers a little bit, but ultimately fails to gain any emotional traction. Season 5 moves the show to be entirely based on a silly man who needs a woman to lead him around and teach him right from wrong. Never once since the fourth season has Doctor Who managed to capture any sense of emotional investment or character development.
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I watched it when Christopher Eccelstone took over because he's a world known fantastic actor. The guy after was good as well but they have been pretty poor since then.

They need someone with true star quality. But tbh, every doctor has been male so why hasn't there been a female one before?
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 03, 2018 2:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I watched it when Christopher Eccleston took over because he's a world known fantastic actor.
. . .


FTFY

Eccleston is my favorite Doctor!
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I watched it when Christopher Eccleston took over because he's a world known fantastic actor.
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FTFY

Eccleston is my favorite Doctor!
You have great taste my good man!
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2018 3:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So how's the sjw contamination ? Seen a few trailers and it looks like the PC limpness is strong in this one.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2018 7:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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So how's the sjw contamination ? Seen a few trailers and it looks like the PC limpness is strong in this one.


very strong.... As the Dr she is skittish and uncertain (while the Dr always knew)
But so far they have rammed down our throats
1) racism is bad
2) polluting is bad
3) male pregnancies are progressive

This isn't Dr who where there is an oddity due to some alien

The next episode is pre India split so I suspect some "colonialism is bad" message
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No, colonialism is absolutely good. Look at how rich Britain is today, how many wars it has won.

Without colonialism, there would be a swastika flying over every house in Britain!
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That's fucking hilarious!! :lol:
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The next episode is pre India split so I suspect some "colonialism is bad" message


You know, if it were easier I'd opt out of the licence fee. I don't watch much live telly anymore and hardly anything from the BBC - I strongly detest the subliminal (and not so subliminal) attempt at reprogramming and being forced to pay for it (£150 next year).

Somebody at work has done this - you have to notify them and then get a visit to check.

I'd have to :

Remove old aerial from roof (cost)
Remove Sat dish (I can do this, easy reach)
Remove PVR
Possibly remove TV sets, I'd need to be able to prove that I use 'em for online/non BBC viewing (Netflix etc.)

Technically you don't need to do the above, good luck getting past inspection though.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2018 7:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And tonight's message... The British line was bad and a Muslim marrying a non Muslim is bad.

Not much Dr in this .. so where is Dr who

Next week's episode... Amazon is bad
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2018 8:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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And tonight's message... The British line was bad and a Muslim marrying a non Muslim is bad.

Not much Dr in this .. so where is Dr who

Next week's episode... Amazon is bad


I think N Korean telly is more honest.
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