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PostPosted: Sat Sep 12, 2020 7:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 15, 2020 2:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Twitter @nexta_tv got from Telegram this video of women mass incarceration

For the record, it looks like anything but mass detentions.

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Notice how a lot of the comments are "Let the U.S. know!" "U.S. save us!"

Presumably, they are mandatorily-placed exclamations. The so-called protesters would not receive their payouts without making such overt references.

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With breaking international treaties about poison the case Navalny changes german thinking: The EU should decide if Northstream2 will be paused.

Which "international treaties about poison"? The whole story about Novičok and the Kremlin being involved looks and sounds like sheer nonsense.
The Britons at least have better crime fiction writers.

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Do you know who without care is against a stop of Northstream2 now:
- the leftist Die_Linke
- the trumpian right wingers AFD
(Both may get money from Putin and have their constituency in eastern states.)


Both may be... whatever. But it is worth noting that it is just pure speculation and a conspiracy theory that has never been proven, despite inordinate amounts of effort poured into proving it, which yielded nothing more but even more and more outlandish conspiracy theories.

But we actually know quite a lot about what their opponents are. Eavesdropped by the CIA, which had been directing West Germany's secret services even before its inception, as the OSS, between the end of World War II and 1980s also with the help of original Nazis, until they naturally died out. Based on their statements after the eavesdropping was revealed and their subsequent conduct, they must have been either mentally ill, or the CIA was squeezing them by the testicles very hard.

Basically, economic cooperation and establishing economic ties are essentially good things, they tend to prevent war. But when you are allied with the most belligerent cuntry in the world: https://www.dartmouth.edu/~nedlebow/aggresive_democracies.pdf ... anything may happen.

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https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1304795658734522369
Again, no faces, no number plates - Lukashenko's law enforcement at its finest.

Just a side note: "no faces" is pretty standard west of Belarus.

What is not standard west of Belarus is 9 reporters recording such a detainment.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2020 12:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Twitter @nexta_tv got from Telegram this video of women mass incarceration

For the record, it looks like anything but mass detentions.
Yes, I quickly took for real some wordings of that Twitter account. But surely police in Belarus has orders to mass incarcerate. Considering the 84% win of Lukashenko in the presidential elections and worsening economics in Belarus we must assume the truth exactly is the other way round.

And after 26y with Lukashenko police forces have a mood to get rid of him also. In contrast we cannot obseve in Belarus an american kind of murderous frenzy police forces have when killing black men every week. I assume the most important gift Lukashenko gets from Putin not are some billions in money but some hundred well trained and high ranked police officers from Russia. Some men who are able to shoot in the back deserting police forces in Belarus without having to fear any punishment. That way the Belarus movement for free elections can be ended.
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With breaking international treaties about poison the case Navalny changes german thinking: The EU should decide if Northstream2 will be paused.

Which "international treaties about poison"? The whole story about Novičok and the Kremlin being involved looks and sounds like sheer nonsense.
The Britons at least have better crime fiction writers.
Are you a german participant in this forum like me? What fiction for what reason a german agency should write about. Surely everyone is a bad fiction writer without a story :/

To help the Trump re-election? (But we don't have the AFD government yet)
To have to pay the german firms 14 billions in compensations when stopping Northstream2 ?
And why did the Siberian hospital treat Navalny with the best medication against Novichok ?

The terror state Russia gets their fear and loathing they want and need. It is not important traitors die but that any potential future traitor knows he could die. Terror not is from the number of deaths but the number of potential deaths.
I believe what Schmidt-Eenboom says in a german Interview on Telepolis
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2020 5:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not sure what you said, but it sounds like excuses to me.

You either have the balls, or you don't. I suggest you people take quick check between your legs and stand up for yourselves before it's too late. And becoming dependent upon Russia for energy is ridiculously, absurdly foolish.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2020 10:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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You either have the balls, or you don't. I suggest you people take quick check between your legs and stand up for yourselves before it's too late. And becoming dependent upon Russia for energy is ridiculously, absurdly foolish.

The "pipe wars" aren't particularly new in any way, it was all the same during the most tense moments of cold war in 1960's. The dependence on Russia is two sided, cutting gas or oil supply for Russia is like cutting your own salary, technically possible, practically very idiotic. What's worse is dependence on transitor nations like Ukraine, they were using gas constantly to get additional loans from both Russia and Europe, one time Europe even had some deficit amidst Winter because Ukraine was siphoning the gas to itself, while demanding more from both sides. Now they are gone, and NS2 goes directly from Russia to Germany, I consider this project good for two nations, but for some reason others like the US, Poland, Ukraine, putting their noses in not their own business. The European politics is so funny at times, when it's "accept more immigrants" - Poland says NO!, but when it's "we are gonna get gas from Russia bypassing your territory", then it's all of the sudden "it's EU and you should listen us!"


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2020 12:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Putin can't let go of his cold war Soviet Union mentality, and he wants to expand his empire to return Russia to greatness, and you know it.

That's what happened in Georgia. That's what's happening in Ukraine. That's what's about to happen in Belarus. You can't deny it.

Russia is not mutually dependent upon these nations who consume their energy products, because it is not the nations who are the consumers. The consumers are people and industry who would continue to exist and have the same demand for energy regardless of who rules them.

On the other hand, the nation importing energy IS dependent, because the industry and people fund the state, provided they are engaged in productive economy activity, which must be enabled by energy.

So, contrary to your propaganda, Russia would have, say, Germany, right by the balls, able to squeeze them at any time, and use that power to gradually expand his power and influence over that country's destiny. It is a playbook that has been used before, and only the fools who don't know it are those who have never read books and depend on TV political propaganda for their knowledge. Unfortunately, that is about 99% of people everywhere.

Sadly, it seems Europe has had its day in the sun. The ages-old migratory pressure from the steppes of Asia and the sands of the near and middle east will eventually wash over their sand castle and erase it from memory. It has been going on since prehistory and it continues now, it was inevitable we'd see tangible manifestations of it in our lifetimes as well. The Turks taking Aegean gas from Greece is another example, as are the boatloads of unwashed, bearded derka-derka men flooding into the EU.

So sad. The old Minoan ethic of individual liberty, propagated by the Greeks and Romans and revived by enlightened Europe, will fade from memory, part of the collectivist, idiocratic, authoritarian downfall of Eurasia. Then the gibbering, racist, genocidal Chinese will pounce on the weakened, uninspired lot of us and make us slaves or green crackers. And you're part of the problem.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2020 1:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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...So, contrary to your propaganda, Russia would have, say, Germany, right by the balls, able to squeeze them at any time, and use that power to gradually expand his power and influence over that country's destiny. It is a playbook that has been used before...

Markets are not that difficult to comprehend. If Russia rises price too much, other energy sources will become competitive, Norway, Canada, heck even American LNG, which will only lead to Russia losing its energy markets in Europe. Another scenario, let say sanctions from Russia on Europe (reduction of energy supply), again, it can cause some economic pain in the short run, but in the long run will only lead to lost European market for Russian gas for decades, exactly like it happened with Europe losing huge chunk of Russian food market after sanctions and devaluation of Russian ruble. The main goal here should be not to hurt somebody for their disobedience, but to control the markets, the technology, the military, and all other aspects of social and international relations, the more chips you have in the game the better. Fearing that Russia has too big of a stake in Europe is comical when you have such giants as China and the US split and slice the entire World as they see fit right now.
As for Ukraine and Georgia, Russia is a very big, sovereign nation with difficult to control borders, it has certain expectations when it comes to relations with neighboring nations (security wise in particular), I don't understand how anyone were surprised that a nation on a Russian border which openly states that they are going to join NATO gets torn to pieces by Russia fallowing years. Stupid disruptive politics leads to corresponding results. Counterexample to this is Finland, from 1949 till this day they are doing just fine on the border with Russia, they only had to formally acknowledge of their non-alliance with any military block, and never ever mention the N word in provocative context on the highest level of their government.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2020 3:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Putin can't let go of his cold war Soviet Union mentality, and he wants to expand his empire to return Russia to greatness, and you know it.

That's what happened in Georgia. That's what's happening in Ukraine. That's what's about to happen in Belarus. You can't deny it.
Yes,
but it is not Soviet Union mentality any more. That claim to power was over the world with Trotzki, the second behind Lenin, until 1928 when Stalin took over totally. That Georgian man Stalin reduces this claim to the old empire of the czar. Which included:
three baltic states, parts of Finland, Ukraine, Georgia, Belarus and Crimea ....

I am sure every european country would accept formaly Crimea and Belarus to be incorporated into Russia - if Russia could guaranty Rule of Law and to be a normal civilized country. Also Ukraine would agree if getting to piece for their lands. And we know Belarus people are just russians who would unite with Russia in a minute if they would get freedom.

But Russia plays like a Mafia owning a land. Like if Pablo Escobar had become president of Colombia. A month ago every german citizen got in opposition to the U.S. when an american ambassador named Grenell threatens business. No matter what we would build ND2 against all odds. But this one more case of poisoning with an essence forbidden by CWC
this one more we say "this drop made the barrel overflow" (german saying)

We now like:
- 25% more expensive U.S. fracking natural gas
- pay 14 billion Euro as compensation to german firms
to stop Putin. We consider higher the price of russian natural gas with a russian government interfering with terror and murder in our countries and Russia not able or willing to follow the CWC treaty. The majority of the EU would agree with the last post from @etnull otherwise.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2020 7:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Belarus people are the descendants of Germanic peoples: Scandinavians and Teutons. They should be part of Europe. And the Crimea was Greek.

You work for the information warfare division of the SVR, don't you?
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They should be part of Europe.

They are already part of Europe, or do you mean the part which should be pro-Western and anti-Russian?
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And the Crimea was Greek.

And the good portion of what's now North-Western US was Russian, and before that the entirety of Eastern North America was British. I'm not entierly getting your point here, we are living today, not 350 years ago.
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You work for the information warfare division of the SVR, don't you?
Nah, I would be overqualified and too expensive for them to hire me.
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Bones McCracker wrote:
They should be part of Europe.

They are already part of Europe, or do you mean the part which should be pro-Western and anti-Russian?
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And the Crimea was Greek.

And the good portion of what's now North-Western US was Russian, and before that the entirety of Eastern North America was British. I'm not entierly getting your point here, ...
:P :lol: 8)
And the Rus were vikings like the power class in Britain. So, this is the 1000y old reason Russia, the UK and Iceland are not part of the EU.

But: In Belarus are living russians. I mean people who are speaking russian language :wink: :roll:

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And the Crimea was Greek.
The Greek wanted to be scientifically correct in their hellenistic era of Enlightenment. That they named "philosophy" and was part of their 300y drive to monotheism before they invented christendom. To become a jew was one solution at the time Crimea was part of the hellenistic world.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 05, 2020 8:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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And after 26y with Lukashenko police forces have a mood to get rid of him also. In contrast we cannot obseve in Belarus an american kind of murderous frenzy police forces have when killing black men every week. I assume the most important gift Lukashenko gets from Putin not are some billions in money but some hundred well trained and high ranked police officers from Russia. Some men who are able to shoot in the back deserting police forces in Belarus without having to fear any punishment. That way the Belarus movement for free elections can be ended.

You sound like you would feel like there and start shooting them just to prove your point. For the record, none of this has materialized yet, so for now I regard it as a conspiracy theory from the ignorant wishful thinkers.
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With breaking international treaties about poison the case Navalny changes german thinking: The EU should decide if Northstream2 will be paused.

Which "international treaties about poison"? The whole story about Novičok and the Kremlin being involved looks and sounds like sheer nonsense.
The Britons at least have better crime fiction writers.
Are you a german participant in this forum like me? What fiction for what reason a german agency should write about. Surely everyone is a bad fiction writer without a story :/

No, I am a purebred Slovak hailing from Slovakia. :-D (Well, not thoroughly so, I do have some distant ancestry from Polish nobility on the spindle side, but it is nothing significant.)
Well, it is kind of sad that you do not know the country in which you live and its recent history, the country where the president of the federal government, the chancellor, is eavesdropped by the United States of Arrogance, the top government representative then feign indignation and threaten grave consequences and freezing of mutual relations for at least half a year... and after some 80 hours, they put on a foolish smile and pretend that nothing has happened and that everything is perfectly normal.
The U.S.A. squeezes you (not thou) by the balls with its stooges that is has been grooming since the end of World War II. Apparently, you have no idea what has happened to your country, just like you seem to have no idea what is happening to China or what happened to Japan some four decades ago. The U.S. secret agencies direct the affairs in your country and it is particularly shocking that Mr Ultra Left Enrich is completely oblivious to it.
I am writing about the German fiction that Russia, the Russian government, is somehow responsible for Navaľnyj's poisoning.
The case was fabricated just to thwart the completion of the Nord Stream 2 pipeline and further economic cooperation between Russia and Germany and to increase tensions, etc. After all, it was a German minister who openly refused to fulfil the racketeering quota of 2% demanded by the North Atlantic Terrorist Organization and declared that spending 60 billion € yearly on the defence (of an essentially peaceful country that is threatened by no one but military lobbyists) ought to be enough.
It is quite possible and logically coherent that Navaľnyj was poisoned by a Western secret service, no matter which one, because they are all ultimately directed, if not even run, by the U.S.A.
The German narrative that it was Novičok, so Russia, i.e. the Russian government must be automatically responsible for its use, is absurd. For your information, Novičok is also made in the West, it is just that your U.S.-ball-clamped governments will never tell you about it.
Do you remember the Czech president Miloš Zeman breaking news about the Czech Republic also making Novičok? All the U.S. stooges went into a rabid frenzy then. It was an interesting case, though. President Miloš Zeman simply asked an innocuous question whether the Czech Republic was also making Novičok and, the question being asked by the President, he could not be denied the answer, and the answer was: "Of course, we do."
By the way, it was reportedly a "new kind of Novičok", perhaps some German-made derivative...?

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To have to pay the german firms 14 billions in compensations when stopping Northstream2 ?

So what? Does it matter one iota to the U.S. stooges? Not at all, they will not have to pay a single cent, they will get their usual pay and a hefty reward on top of that, most likely some well-paid plum job after their retirement from their official functions.
Mind you, if someone is willing to push for such harm to Germany as the loss of its sovereignty, 14 billion € paid by someone else will be of no concern to them. Oh, and only Germany and its puppetmaster, the United States of Aggression, are pushing for it.
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And why did the Siberian hospital treat Navalny with the best medication against Novichok ?

What medication exactly?
Anyway, a good starting point of investigation would be that the Novičok was found in Germany, but not in Russia. And with help from Porton Down, a controversial British Defence Science and Technology Laboratory, where they have been studying, researching and, of course, making nerve agents for decades.

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The terror state Russia gets their fear and loathing they want and need. It is not important traitors die but that any potential future traitor knows he could die. Terror not is from the number of deaths but the number of potential deaths.
I believe what Schmidt-Eenboom says in a german Interview on Telepolis

Now, what makes you spew such nonsense, or parrot it ad nauseam? Because if you can still think, not just believe, then it will immediately down on you that it their far-fetched explanations are just absurd nonsense, they are construct that just make no sense, the consequent reasonably contradicts the antecedent, etc.
But it is quite interesting that all the Russophobes—because that is what are in essence—are parroting this very same nonsense, that it is about instilling fear and whatnot, even though that makes no sense whatsoever... but I believe that this is a cultural thing and maybe people in the West in general and in Germany in particular are so brainwashed that they do accept such nonsense. Why is the propaganda so stupid (in my eyes)? Probably because their citizens are accustomed to believe every stupid nonsense their government produces, without ever questioning it? Do the governments put the implicit or residual assumption of trust and faith in their governments by their people on the other side of the scale, opposite critical reasoning?
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 10, 2020 9:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The opposition in Belarus is a joke: they managed to make a general strike and not a single worker was participating. End of the story.
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Political culture in Belarus, Ukraine and Russia is still very primitive, there are only two modes of existence for most of people: mode 1 - endure hardship quietly. mode 2 - let the blood rivers flow (i.e revolution, radicalization, war). 30% of the populous in any Western nation would be a huge force, ignoring which would be costly for any politician. In aforementioned three nations 51% is not a majority, nothing will change until 80-90% are against something/someone, and even then nothing changes, which leads to another bloody revolution and even more suffering.
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