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Which one should be the default?
sys-fs/eudev
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sys-fs/udev
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Other/Don't Care
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2020 7:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice distraction, but this is about defaults, not ending maintenance of eudev.

So lazy of you, citing one person who's running separate /usr without initramfs in 2018 and inflating it as "a rich history". The relevant news item about that was posted 5 years prior.

But then that's what you always do in this kind of threads.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2020 2:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

asturm wrote:
Nice distraction, but this is about defaults, not ending maintenance of eudev.

So lazy of you, citing one person who's running separate /usr without initramfs in 2018 and inflating it as "a rich history". The relevant news item about that was posted 5 years prior.

But then that's what you always do in this kind of threads.


There is more than one person running a separate /usr without an initramfs and we have been since williamh (same guy proposing this) decided to abuse his position to get the Council to drop support for a separate /usr because systemd didn't support it (and as maintainer of openrc, he also refused to accept patches which would ensure that openrc could continue to work with a separate /usr and also didn't bother to notify the rest of the Council, whom blindly trusted him and did no due diligence of their own, about their existence so he could push his agenda).

Regardless of what he may state, his goal is to kneecap gentoo in favor of pushing systemd and he has abused his position all over the place to try to get there.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2020 2:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not interested. It was properly announced years ago, if you didn't fix your system (or switched to eudev, if that still allows it) then you get to keep the pieces. No getting around that.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 14, 2020 5:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

saellaven wrote:

Regardless of what he may state, his goal is to kneecap gentoo in favor of pushing systemd and he has abused his position all over the place to try to get there.


What a weird thing to say for a guy who's getting paid to develop openrc.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 14, 2020 6:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

asturm wrote:
I'm not interested. It was properly announced years ago, if you didn't fix your system (or switched to eudev, if that still allows it) then you get to keep the pieces. No getting around that.


Of course you're not interested... every time you post on the forums, it's to blindly support the devs and attack the users.

There's no technological reason why openrc, and by extension, Gentoo itself, couldn't remain more robust, instead, it was intentionally crippled for political reasons. The patches already existed and were well tested, williamh knew about them but refused to accept them even though they were a minor change, and pushed for the Council to cripple Gentoo anyway. The Council took him at his word without doing the slightest bit of due diligence, abdicating their role in the process, and Gentoo is worse for it.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 14, 2020 7:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a low threshold for BS. Either you deal with reality or continue to fight over a triviality such as using an initramfs with /usr. I see you prefer the latter.

What you don't get to claim is ignorance of that fact, which happened a couple posts above yours.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 14, 2020 8:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Juippisi wrote:
saellaven wrote:

Regardless of what he may state, his goal is to kneecap gentoo in favor of pushing systemd and he has abused his position all over the place to try to get there.


What a weird thing to say for a guy who's getting paid to develop openrc.

Just because he snatched ownership of the openrc ebuild and upstream repository doesn't mean he's getting paid to work on it (which evidently isn't happening), any more than he's getting paid to maintain the s6 or runit ebuilds.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 14, 2020 9:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The dev apologists seem to have nothing better to do than spend their time on these type threads.

In my best Jim Nabors voice, "surprise, surprise, surprise"
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 14, 2020 2:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's a real pleasure to see the systemd rats devs (including some of our devs) crying like babies against eudev ; in itself it is a real good reason to keep it default.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 14, 2020 4:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

krinn wrote:
It's a real pleasure to see the systemd rats devs (including some of our devs) crying like babies against eudev ; in itself it is a real good reason to keep it default.

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