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PostPosted: Sun Jun 21, 2020 4:54 pm    Post subject: Clean fresh install - is there a way? Reply with quote

Hello,
I have used Gentto for many years, but around 10 years ago I stopped because I got married.
I would like to go back to using it but the installation seems to be much worse these days. I just want to make one clean installation, stable release (amd64), no experiments (at least at the begginning), but even without desktop evironment (KDE or something) the emerge --world gives so many circular dependencies that I am even unable to read and list them all.
So I wonder is there a way to create basic working gentoo environment without this dependencies pain. After that I will start to adjust it and install more software and reinstall it.

Best Regards,
Mariusz
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 21, 2020 6:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dude, what are you talking about?
You basically just untar stage 3 and install a bootloader and a kernel and you're good to go. How the hell do you get into any problems with emerge doing just that?

Now, if you want to actually ask for help, we're gonna need some details on what you've done and how it failed.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 22, 2020 5:49 am    Post subject: Re: Clean fresh install - is there a way? Reply with quote

m.s.w wrote:
So I wonder is there a way to create basic working gentoo environment without this dependencies pain.

On a fresh install from a recent stage3 there isn't much dependencies. Be sure to not select a desktop profile.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 22, 2020 8:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

@m.s.w
Welcome back. Installing Gentoo has gotten better in the last few years. If you have a fully blown USEFLAG in (now) /etc/portage/make.conf, this will throw some circular dependencies. I know of java and jpeg are one of them.
In this case, you will have to deactivate java for jpeg (USE="-java" emerge jpeg) to get jpeg installed and then install java.

A fresh installation with a full set of USEFLAG in the make.conf is tricky, not impossible.

If you get stuck, feel free to ask us.

Good luck.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 22, 2020 11:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not sure if you tried to update your old install or you want to start from a clean start.
- update after 10 years: A fresh install is faster
- fresh install just until boot and stuff: Easy
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 22, 2020 2:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

szatox wrote:
Dude, what are you talking about?
You basically just untar stage 3 and install a bootloader and a kernel and you're good to go. How the hell do you get into any problems with emerge doing just that?

Now, if you want to actually ask for help, we're gonna need some details on what you've done and how it failed.


I follow Gentoo Handbook. To update world is the step before kernel config and bootloader config. So I read your post as an adivise to skip it. Or you ment something else?
Thank you.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 22, 2020 2:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Banana wrote:
I'm not sure if you tried to update your old install or you want to start from a clean start.
- update after 10 years: A fresh install is faster
- fresh install just until boot and stuff: Easy


I am doing fresh install. But you all might me right that I was too optimistic with use flags. I always used Gentoo without Desktop Environment so I used USE flags set from my previous installation (got it archived).
Will start with minimal set and try it.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 22, 2020 5:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I want to say that I ever install the stage3 tarball some years ago and did an emerge world in it without any personnalisation, just the default values in make.conf and it fail. So yes I think that you must go slow with the USE flags and the global personnalisation.

USE flags who can be put together long ago and succeed may not after a long time.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 24, 2020 12:31 am    Post subject: Re: Clean fresh install - is there a way? Reply with quote

m.s.w wrote:
Hello,
I have used Gentto for many years, but around 10 years ago I stopped because I got married.
I would like to go back to using it but the installation seems to be much worse these days. I just want to make one clean installation, stable release (amd64), no experiments (at least at the begginning), but even without desktop evironment (KDE or something) the emerge --world gives so many circular dependencies that I am even unable to read and list them all.
So I wonder is there a way to create basic working gentoo environment without this dependencies pain. After that I will start to adjust it and install more software and reinstall it.

Best Regards,
Mariusz


Cześć Mariusz,
I would say installation has gotten a lot better over the years. I first installed in 2004 and like you, took a long break. Generally though, just follow the handbook and you'll get a basic install. It sounds like with dependencies you are having problems though. When you say they are too long to copy/paste I suggest getting familiar with wgetpaste. If you can get that installed then go head and run emerge within wgetpaste and you'll get a link you can share with us so more knowledgeable people can help you out. Once you get it installed it would be something like:

Code:
wgetpaste -c 'emerge -uDU --keep-going --with-bdeps=y @world'


Hope that helps.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 31, 2020 9:22 pm    Post subject: no way Reply with quote

I got to tell you, that fresh install of Gentoo is still no go.
You say, that the installation has gotten easier over the years and I have to disagree with that.
After unpacking stage3, syncing portage and getting the message that portage needs to be updated with "emerge --oneshot portage" I got a message that glibc is old, that python and some other packages are in circular dependencies.
Let's be honest. This is a _clean and fresh_ install. This is not a user who broke something. This is something that developers just fu$%ed up. This should not happening on fresh installation.
Previously it was easier. Following the handbook was enough to have a working system. Now it is not.
Goodbye Gentoo.
RIP.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 31, 2020 9:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

From what stage3 did you start? It sounds like you started from a fairly outdated system, which would be strange for a stage3, if everything is working well.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 01, 2020 2:42 am    Post subject: Re: no way Reply with quote

m.s.w wrote:

Goodbye Gentoo.
RIP.


Keep tryin' mate. It is just bad timing / bad luck :lol: glibc just got bumped yesterday so there is that. :o
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 04, 2020 11:19 am    Post subject: Re: no way Reply with quote

m.s.w wrote:

Previously it was easier. Following the handbook was enough to have a working system. Now it is not.
Goodbye Gentoo.
RIP.

I disagree. You need more patience man. I just decided the same thing two weeks ago, and first try was a failure. I probably mistyped something or skipped a step. Never gave up, just did other things meanwhile.

Yesterday I took it up again, went through the handbook, googled some, and I have a working (openrc) gnome environment now with video, sound, lutris, steam, and basically everything on my Ryzen system with a navi 10 gfx card. NOT impossible. Just keep on trying.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 04, 2020 5:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hu wrote:
From what stage3 did you start? It sounds like you started from a fairly outdated system, which would be strange for a stage3, if everything is working well.

I think you need extra super fresh stage3 to not get into circular dependency, just because of gcc and glibc
they are provide in the stage3, and if any new version is out, you should end in circular dependency with these two

but if he stop just for a circular dependency, i suppose it's more the case of "give a dog a bad name, and hang him" (i really prefer it in french! our version is "who wants to drown his dog, accuses him of rabies")
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 04, 2020 6:30 pm    Post subject: Re: no way Reply with quote

sdauth wrote:
m.s.w wrote:
Goodbye Gentoo.
RIP.
Keep tryin' mate. It is just bad timing / bad luck :lol: glibc just got bumped yesterday so there is that. :o
I second that.
I'd advise to remain on stable.
It may cost you some time to set it up at start.
Doing it the right way may spare you from future rebuilds.
But, once done things should carry on with minimal worries.
Thks 4 ur attention, interest & support.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 05, 2020 3:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think he's gone -- because of this:
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After unpacking stage3, syncing portage and getting the message that portage needs to be updated with "emerge --oneshot portage" I got a message that glibc is old, that python and some other packages are in circular dependencies.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 05, 2020 7:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

this message about portage needs to be gone fast.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 05, 2020 3:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Banana wrote:
this message about portage needs to be gone fast.

It should be super easy to remove with a revision. Just emit a blank string!
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 07, 2020 2:39 pm    Post subject: Re: no way Reply with quote

ffpp wrote:
m.s.w wrote:

Previously it was easier. Following the handbook was enough to have a working system. Now it is not.
Goodbye Gentoo.
RIP.

I disagree. You need more patience man. I just decided the same thing two weeks ago, and first try was a failure. I probably mistyped something or skipped a step. Never gave up, just did other things meanwhile.

Yesterday I took it up again, went through the handbook, googled some, and I have a working (openrc) gnome environment now with video, sound, lutris, steam, and basically everything on my Ryzen system with a navi 10 gfx card. NOT impossible. Just keep on trying.


First - I am sorry for the emotional post, but that's how it is when something that you love fails on you and you don't see the reason for that.
As I said, I am not new to Gentoo. We just were on the break :).

Second, i think sdauth was right. I unpacked stage3 again and then everything went fine.
Installation is still in progres as I do not have so many free hours in a row, but things goes as expected.

I should finish the installation today.

Thank you for your support. Mostly for being my therapist to my explosive nature.

m.s.w.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 07, 2020 3:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice to hearing from you again.
Sometimes gentoo update may take some time to be set, depending on your config.
If you can afford it, run big builds at night time.
Thks 4 ur attention, interest & support.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 09, 2020 2:04 pm    Post subject: Re: no way Reply with quote

m.s.w wrote:
ffpp wrote:
m.s.w wrote:

Previously it was easier. Following the handbook was enough to have a working system. Now it is not.
Goodbye Gentoo.
RIP.

I disagree. You need more patience man. I just decided the same thing two weeks ago, and first try was a failure. I probably mistyped something or skipped a step. Never gave up, just did other things meanwhile.

Yesterday I took it up again, went through the handbook, googled some, and I have a working (openrc) gnome environment now with video, sound, lutris, steam, and basically everything on my Ryzen system with a navi 10 gfx card. NOT impossible. Just keep on trying.


First - I am sorry for the emotional post, but that's how it is when something that you love fails on you and you don't see the reason for that.
As I said, I am not new to Gentoo. We just were on the break :).

Second, i think sdauth was right. I unpacked stage3 again and then everything went fine.
Installation is still in progres as I do not have so many free hours in a row, but things goes as expected.

I should finish the installation today.

Thank you for your support. Mostly for being my therapist to my explosive nature.

m.s.w.


"Install once and use it forever". Forgot who said that, but it's here in the forum somewhere.
I have a perfectly working setup with NAVI 10, Steam, OpenRC, etc... on a ZFS root.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 09, 2020 5:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been building mine for over 16 years now.
Code:
$ head -1 /var/log/emerge.log
1098916659: Started emerge on: Oct 27, 2004 22:37:39

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