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PostPosted: Wed Aug 09, 2017 6:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And I'd love to learn Gentoo. But not starting with the install process.

Hence why I'm here, instead of tuning Arch or something.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 09, 2017 6:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

0joshuaolson1 wrote:
And I'd love to learn Gentoo. But not starting with the install process.

Hence why I'm here, instead of tuning Arch or something.
Alas, the install process requires you to learn a good bit about Gentoo. Trying to bypass that gets you in trouble sooner or later (mostly sooner, as you're finding out). Start here.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 09, 2017 6:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

By 'here' I mean Gentoo Studio, not Gentoo. :)
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 09, 2017 8:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm afraid Gentoo Studio is still very much still a Gentoo system, just with a stage4 instead of a stage3.

John is right - learning Gentoo itself is learning the install process. Such is the MO of a source-based system. It's why I love it. I learned a lot about Linux this way.

I have long-term plans to make Gentoo Studio a "just install it and update it" distro with its own binhost, but that is a ways away. I'm just one guy, here.

Just keep posting for help, and we will keep trying to improve things. :)
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 09, 2017 10:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

0joshuaolson1,

I was looking through my "gentootricks" file, where I record helpful things for me to use, and came across this. Thought it might be helpful to you.

Code:

UEFI:
System must be booted with UEFI (latest sysresccd will handle that).
Follow handbook, except:
1. mkfs.vfat /dev/sda2
2. GRUB_PLATFORMS="efi-64" in /etc/portage/make.conf
3. grub-install --efi-directory=/boot


Let me know if this is helpful to you.

EDIT: Updated for accuracy.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 10, 2017 5:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

0joshuaolson1 wrote:
And I'd love to learn Gentoo. But not starting with the install process.
As I think others indicated, the install process is precisely how you learn Gentoo.
That's also what I was trying to say, rather long-windedly.

So, given that you'd love to learn Gentoo: welcome :-)
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 10, 2017 8:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Finally got around to doing a test install of the Complete stage4 on a UEFI VM. Test went well. Making a couple of minor fixes and will probably go ahead and roll out an updated web site along with an open beta for all three flavors soon.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 12:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

audiodef wrote:
Code:

UEFI:
System must be booted with UEFI (latest sysresccd will handle that).
Follow handbook, except:
1. mkfs.vfat /dev/sda2
2. GRUB_PLATFORMS="efi-64" in make.conf
3. grub2-install --efi-directory=/boot
4. genkernel --menuconfig --install all


Thanks. 1. is already in the instructions. Assuming make.conf is /etc/portage/make.conf and grub2-install is the same as grub-install.

When do I use genkernel?
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 3:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

0joshuaolson1,

For Gentoo Studio, you don't use genkernel for the initial install. The stage4 includes a genkernel-compiled kernel. You run genkernel only when there's an update to rt-sources. My bad - I included it in the tip above, but it doesn't actually apply. Sorry about that.

I'm hoping to roll out an updated gentoostudio.org and an open beta soon, and hopefully that will make it easier to have something to refer to, comment on, and improve via feedback.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 9:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Successfully installed GS Complete on my Studio B Lenovo desktop. Took about half an hour, including the cpu2useflags recompile. Was able to start JACK with Cadence with two Mackie Onyx mixers attached via Firewire. So I'm happy with its status for beta-readiness and will likely roll it out soon.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 12, 2017 6:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

:( I hope it works for others. The tips didn't work for me. Still can't boot. Was the tip supposed to say
Code:
3. grub-install --efi-directory=/boot /dev/sda
instead?

BTW, The instructions should say eix-update, not eix-sync. emerge --sync doesn't work behind some firewalls (unlike emerge-webrsync in the previous step).
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 12, 2017 7:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, it's grub-install, not grub2-install. I edited my tip for accuracy.

Well, sync has to happen, and eix-sync is basically a symlink for emerge --sync && eix-update, so the recommend command is eix-sync. Firewall issues belong to users - there's nothing I can do about that.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 12, 2017 7:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I believe emerge --sync is redundant after the emerge-webrsync step, as well as everything else eix-sync does (see my link to its docs) except for eix-update

I used
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grub-install --efi-directory=/boot (didn't include /dev/sda here)
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 13, 2017 12:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I found a way again to boot the (EFI) bootloader, but I encountered the same block device error. (minimal tarball)
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 13, 2017 6:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

0joshuaolson1 wrote:
I found a way again to boot the (EFI) bootloader, but I encountered the same block device error. (minimal tarball)


I think you should try posting this issue to "Installing Gentoo," since I'm not sure I can help, and this actually is a general Gentoo installation issue. I know this must be frustrating, and I think you'll get better help in the "Installing Gentoo" forum.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 13, 2017 6:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I think you should try posting this issue to "Installing Gentoo," since I'm not sure I can help, and this actually is a general Gentoo installation issue.

I'm trying to help you with feedback. YOUR installation instructions are incorrect for my machine, and grub or the stage 4 tarball are possible culprits.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 14, 2017 7:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Easy, there, I'm trying to help you, too. Please keep in mind that I am one guy and I don't know everything, but sometimes I know where to refer you for better help.

FWIW, I have an EFI machine that didn't work out exactly how the Gentoo handbook suggested it should, either. I had to hunt around to figure it out. It's nobody's fault. It just happens sometimes. :)

I'm wondering if anyone who has already installed Gentoo on an EFI machine subsequently has any trouble following the install steps for Gentoo Studio. That would give me a good start on trying to figure out what I should change in the installation process.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 15, 2017 12:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do you mean on top of a working EFI install or from scratch?

I have a working EFI install on a NUC, although I don't intend to use that for anything audio, but I'm in the process of building a new box, so I might be able to try a full install in a bit (just waiting for the CPU to be delivered, and need to buy a SSD).
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 15, 2017 4:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gentoo Studio is only installed from scratch. I'm wondering if anyone who has already used a particular UEFI machine with Gentoo would be willing to let me know if there are any UEFI issues with installing Gentoo Studio using the install steps I posted earlier.

I apologize if I wasn't clear. :)
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 18, 2017 8:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

audiodef wrote:
I apologize if I wasn't clear. :)
You probably were, I haven't been following this thread from the beginning :)

I'll be willing to try a few installs though, as long as I get a working kernel config it's not too much trouble anyway. So just to clarify what would be the most helpful:

1. Do a regular install, to make sure I have the EFI stuff going as it should
2. Follow your instructions for a new install from scratch and see if any problems crop up

Do I have that right? And are those install instructions on the first page of this thread?
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 20, 2017 9:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

arnvidr,

As long as you know how to make sure your computer's UEFI works, you should not need to do a regular Gentoo install. But if you try a Gentoo Studio install and run into UEFI trouble, and subsequently have no trouble following the Gentoo handbook for a regular Gentoo install, then please let me know so I can try to fix it.

Announcement follows. :)
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 20, 2017 9:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gentoostudio.org once again has a new look. Hopefully I have not mangled something in the process of copying the site from a dev location.

So...

Gentoo Studio's latest incarnation is now officially in open beta. Please go to http://gentoostudio.org and follow the crumbs right from the home page. If things are not self-explanatory, let me know so I can make it so.

Old links to beta tarballs linked earlier in this thread have been moved - everything is according to what it says on gentoostudio.org now.

Happy Gentooing. 8)
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 21, 2017 7:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

UX pro-tip: remove those '>' from commands in the installation manual.
You could copy-paste a handful of lines at the same time if you didn't have to fiddle with laboriously skipping the first two characters from every single line.
There is a bunch of lines that don't have to be carefully analysed when you paste them. Also, marking interactive parts with some colour or bold font would help you find out at the first glance where you should stop and focus for a minute (though it's not that much of a deal when you run through it once)
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 23, 2017 4:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

szatox,

Thanks, much appreciated. 8)

The installation steps will eventually become an install script. I just want to make sure the steps actually work for other people with a variety of machines under a variety of conditions.
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You should be able to get the best of both worlds by moving the > into an element that is not copied on selection:
Code:
<span><style scoped>div::before{content:"> "}</style><div>echo a</div><div>echo b</div></span>
This renders the leading > in the browser, but a select all+copy does not copy the > . The key part is to generate the > as a pseudo-element using ::before or ::after. All the other parts you can modify as needed.
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